User:Kober/Archive6

Okruashvili Page

Kober, please do not remove my changes. I am posting changes that have been on TV, in Newspapers in Georgia. Okruashvili has been accused of corruption and he was listed as one of the richest Georgians. So DO NOT remove these comments, unless you are working for Ministry of Internal Affairs and in this case you are just putting propaganda online.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tbilisi77 (talk • contribs) 08:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC).

Anon Vandalism : Georgia (country)

Due to the amount of anon vandalism, I protected the page from non-established users. What do you think? SosoMK 04:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Kober I don't why User:Pethr is deleting my research, could you please revert back the Georgia article SosoMK 20:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Kober, that looks awesome, i will use it for the reference. Do u maintain it?SosoMK 20:56, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Kober, why did you think that removing these facts were necessary? [[1]] SosoMK 21:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Come on, don't apologize, that's cool, I just wanted to state the fact that Georgia has one of the highest life expectancies in the region and foreigner always are amazed by that. thank you, Kober, SosoMK 21:10, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Wine thing

Alright I just wanted to see reason there, adding Georgian POV would be OK as well. At least link to main article should stay there. I will also move portal once more to the buttom. I really don't understand why it was so difficult to do so minor changes to this article. Tank you.--Pethr 21:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

You know it's natural that you want to know why they banned the wine when you're reading the article. It should be explained there. I have no ties with either Russia nor georgia, just wanted to improve it a bit. Please let me know what you think. Thank you.--Pethr 21:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply and rephrasing. I think it's mostly accurate. I will add some sources to it tomorrow since it's crtical to be accurate and sourced. I don't know much about it but heard a lot on BBC. I think it's certainly noteable since it's part of the bigger picture. Once more thank you for that. Cheers.--Pethr 06:19, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Look at how pathetic is that?[[2]] He removed your message from my talkpage:) I hope it made you laugh a little a bit. SosoMK 22:15, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh my. Just for the record It was removed by mistake. Edit history well documents how this user was removing all the comments so it was really hard to see all the changes in that fast motion. I'm sorry about that. I'm sure you understand that it wasn't done on purpose.--Pethr 06:19, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Kober, we don't have to do that. It is an economy section and why the heck we have to say what Kremlin thinks aboout the wine, which was not proven by any scientific research and as for the portal, for example, England also has it on the top. I really don't know what is this Pethr's problem. What he does can be classified as vandalism, people like him damage wikipedia. SosoMK 13:18, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I've had enought. Be aware of personal attacks, consider this a warning and for god's sake see Wikipedia:Guide to layout finally! It says where is the portal supposed to be! Stop attacking me, the only issue I've had with you was that you couldn't make your changes to the new version of the article and was reverting it back without any exlanation (you know that edit summary thing? you know that artices have talk pages, right?). So please stop and think about what you're doing. Personal attacks are what destroys Wikipedia. Thank you.--Pethr 15:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

youre right

I didn't read that part in older discussion, sorry about that, I also think maybe Buffadrene didn't see it, but it is best to keep it out because it is such an emotional word, if you can say the same without using emotive words it is better Pernambuco 18:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

there isnt a need to apologize, I was the one at fault here, next time I'll look more closely at the past discussions and it is right that it is a subject that I don't know a lot about yet, but well, I am willing to learn and hopefully I will Pernambuco 19:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

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Gisurveb carmatebebs

Kober, jigaro, gisurveb carmatebebs gamocdebshi da real life shic. Xo ici kartveebi nichieri xalxi vart, aba he, SosoMK 00:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Good Luck

I wish you good luck in your tests. Geagea 03:06, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Adjar

Yeah, I agree with you. The article is totally unsourced as well. Khoi khoi 06:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Ajar and sources

Hi Kober.

I'd love to help out if at all humanly possible on Georgian dialects (as we've been discussing at the AfD recently). The only problem, of course, is that Georgian isn't exactly a language which has spawned a lot of English-language sources. If you - or anyone you know with linguistic knowledge - is able to get something going regarding the dialects, though, I'll be more than happy to help polish up the English and/or add some sources if there's enough material in languages I can understand. To be perfectly frank, I'd give my left arm to know Georgian, but I doubt I'd be able to learn it fast enough to be of much use here :P BigHaz - Schreit mich an 12:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Your article Levan Razikashvili

Your article Levan Razikashvili has been proposed for deletion "Wikipedia:No_original_research & does NOT include Wikipedia:Reliable_sources for WP:Verifiability of content." Please add references, or it will be deleted.--Parker007 04:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

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Kobo

Gamarjoba Kober

I have been asked about thr origin of the georgian name Kobo. Do you know sambody with this name? and the origin of it. (I know about the name Koba) Geagea 23:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Vector map of Abkhazia

Hi, Kober! I'd noticed that the Georgian wiki article about abkhazia doesn't contain any map in Georgian. I started a vector map of Abkhazia today (Image:Abkhazia Map Apsny.svg - experimental map in Abkhazian), but I have only Russian source. Could you provide Georgian naming for the biggest inhabited localities, rivers and ranges, and how they correspond to the Russian naming (not modern, but on 1989). This work could be interesting for me, moreover, once I wanted to study Georgian script and it probably will be a good chanse to do it. This map also may be a base for the historical maps, for example, a map of Georgian-Abkhazian conflict or something else.--Üñţïf̣ļëŗ (see also:ә? Ә!) 20:02, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Andrew Andersen crisis

Kober, check out my talk page and User:Atabek's talk page for our discussion on Andrew Andersen's credibility. Atabek is pushing to remove Andersen's NPOV map with the controversial Azerbaijani Paris Peace Conference map. He calls Andersen's map "fake map scribbles directed against Azerbaijan." If Atabek succeeds, then he's putting a number of Wikipedia articles that use Andersen at risk, including Georgian-related articles. -- Aivazovsky 15:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

References

If something is so evident (like the fact that there are 250,000 idps who are not allowed to return to Abkhazia) you should have no problem finding a reference for that (I mean exactly for this number and this ref should be not too old). I have not removed this sentence from the article and I have no intention of doing it in future. Alaexis 14:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Txovna Mikho Mosulishvilisgan

Batono Kober, tqven |aq tqvit, rom araferi ar icit chemze, risi gamosworebac me advilad shemizlia: 1. Gtxovt, gaecnot chems gverds | qartul Wikipediahi. 2. me maqvs afxazetze dawerili motxroba, romelic targmnilia rogorc rusul, aseve inglisur enebzec da tu metyviT, shemizlia mogawodot. 3. "Girsebis medaze" amboben, rom sheizleba amas arc miugia da tvitmarqvia ariso. Me Shemizlia fotosuratze gadavigo is medali da gamogigzavnot surati - me ar vityuebi, es medali martla mivige jurnal "CISKRIS" 150 wlis iubilestan dakavshirebit, rogorc am jurnalis mashindelma kritikis ganyofilebis gamgem.

Batono Kober, sheizleba me cudad davwere statia inglisuri wikipediistvis, radgan ar vicodi misi yvela wesi, amitom minda gkitxot, inglisur wikipediashi warsadgeni statia jer tqventan unda shevatanxmo?

Pativiscemit, Mikho Mosulishvili --Mikho Mosulishvili 20:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Pitsunda

Hi Kober

I put the georgian name as the name of the city Pitsunda because thiere was no abkhzian name (only rusian). the user Alexsis says that that Pitsunda is tha Abkhazian name (see the hebrew wikipadia). what do you think? Geagea 10:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Georgia WikiProject

Please check out the discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Georgia_.28country.29 Chris 02:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

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Kober, gamarjoba!

Madlobeli var pasuxistvis.

Me mgonia, Kober, rom Wikipedielebs kitxva ukvart da mxatvruli literaturisac... Qartul wikipediashi, statiis მოსულიშვილი, მიხო bolos aris bmulebi da moclilobisas tu ლიბ.გე-ze shexvalt, naxavt motxrobebs. Aseve shegizliat waikitot rusul wikipediashic, xolo inglisurad nawarmoebebi aris chemi saitis - www.archanda.ge inglisur gverdze. Tu qaRaldze kitxva girchevniat, mashin gadaxedet jurnal "Literaturuli Palitis" nomrebs... :)))))

Me statia tavidan davwere, aris chems gverdze inglisur wikipediashi da tu zalian ar shegawuxebt, iqneb gadamixedot da mitxrat, - rom shevitano, amasac damiblokaven?

Pativicemit, --Mikho Mosulishvili 09:15, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:

Do you still have my e-mail? If so, e-mail me and I'll tell you what I think is happening. -- Aivazovsky 12:54, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Kober :-) --Mr. Sure Entry 21:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Essay about the religion in Abkhazia

Hi! Could you read this text and write about the factual mistakes present there according to your opinion. I'm especially interested in the pre-XIII c. times. Alaexis 07:41, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Alaexis 08:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't contradict with the Abkhazian version very much. Btw I've found some info about the autocephalous-ness:

В отношении термина “автокефальная” заметим, что в византийскую эпоху Константинопольские патриархи подчиняли своей юрисдикции целые епархии, находившиеся в пределах митрополичьих округов. Такие епархии именовались автокефальными, под “автокефалией” подразумевалась их независимость от окружных митрополитов (см.[Голубинский,1871,с.254-255; Голубинский,1901,т.1,с.264-265]).

It's taken from here. Regards. Alaexis 18:55, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Map Kartuli

It is the first map (the second version I'd uploaded with the such name). Some other will be soon. Surprisingly .svg doesn't support Geogian (but it supports Abkhazian :) ), so if you try to download and edit this image, the Georgian letters will be represented as images (Оконтурить штрих option, I dont know how it will be in English in Inkscape...), not text. The first version I'd uploaded contains Georgian letters, but they are not featured :( --Üñţïf̣ļëŗ (see also:ә? Ә!) 19:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Iberia

Gamarjoba Kober. Thank you very much for links. I really like how Catalans have worked on Georgian history. Will do the same in Basque. I studied Georgian and Armenian history for the long time but only for middle ages. However, Catalans make some mistakes on their article. Again, thank you very much. Euskera 13:47, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Hola

Kaixo (hello in Basque) Kober. Do you have any map of Caucasian Iberia? Thanks. Euskera 17:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Deletion

A Georgia-related article is being considered for deletion. You might want to vote. [3] Edrigu 15:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Iberians

Mr Kober, what do you think about my article Caucasian Iberians ? Euskera 20:44, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Mr Kober, can you please help me on this article, im just reading about this topic in books. April 9 tragedy. Thanks. Euskera 21:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Koberiani

Im good Kober, too much work, tooooo much :) i cant go on any more :) Grad studies turned out to be more chalenging and dificult. Will tell you more in email. Im here only for editing and NPOV maintenance/compliance. However, will work on Religion in Abkhazia article. Great articles you have published, they are amazing. I always read your contribs. Thanks Kober!!!! Ldingley 14:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Congats! This is a huge victory for peace (pay attention to this from the resolution: It is of great importance that the Resolution underlines the necessity of safe and dignified return of refugees and internally displaced persons expelled from Abkhazia as a result of ethnic cleansing. UN finally labeled it as such. Full Resolution N1752 text [4]. Ldingley 17:30, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Kober, are you interested in helping on this article User:Ldingley/ReligioninAbkhazia ? Ldingley 19:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Great, thanks Kober!!! Ldingley 17:22, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thats great, I dont have any Russian sources. Only some propagandist web sites which actually Patriarch of Georgia mentioned in that US State Dep report. What a shame. Ldingley 17:33, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Kober, my link changed to: User:Ldingley/Religion in Abkhazia (Georgia). Ldingley 16:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Batumi

Hi Kober

Acording to the web site of Donostia-San Sebastian Batumi is not A sister city her. do you know something about it? Geagea 17:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Mamy Thanks. Geagea 21:48, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Abkhazia Primary Sources

Kober, I found real historic document resource here [5] of Russian and European ambassadors who travelled to Georgia. Abkhazia is mentioned there to be included in Mingrelia or Dadiani property. Also here [6]. We can use them as pripary sources. Far more important than any secondary. Ldingley 17:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Georgian Affair

Thanks for writing a Georgian-Russian relations relatied article, that does not read like nationalistic POV pushing. Hope this will not be spoiled by the KGB Internet troll squad and their southern edit warrior equivalents. -- Petri Krohn 11:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Great work on Georgian Affair, truly great work. You used correct sources and made good use of references. Its a very interesting topic and actually i want to recommend you this book which just came out and in my opinion its a great way to learn about 20th century European socialism and social-democracy. The book title is: Socialism in Georgian Colors: The European Road to Social Democracy, 1883-1917 by Stephen F. Jones. See here [7] Ldingley 15:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Kober are you online? Kober i added info about Ludendorff involvement in German expedition, he was fervent supported of Georgia and German presence in the Caucasus. Also he advocated before Kaiser to see the Georgian delegation in Berlin. Religion in Abkhazia, i need more sources because there is very few info about the topic. However, all western sources present Abkhazia as part of Georgian orthodoxy. See my list of references. There is a great collection of those book at the library in university so i was fortunate. However, I have really limited time and its getting worse. :(

Georgian Affair

On 1 May, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Georgian Affair, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 05:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Catholicosate of Abkhazia

Kober, thank you so much for preparing that article. It actually matches all the sources i have gathered. But you also should mention that Tskhum-Apkhazeti Eparchy officially existed since 1800s. Its currently headed by Archbishop Daniel. Great work Kober, much needed article !!! Ldingley 19:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Kober, its not easy to find any info on Tskhum-Aphkhazeti. Ldingley 19:45, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

heh you should see whats going on here List of sovereign states. Funny. Ldingley 20:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Kober but Abkhazia even violates Montevideo treaty stardards (which BTW UN does not recognize as universal model of suvereign states). Its funny. Abkhaz de facto regime doe snot control most of Abkhazia population. They dotn have any foreign relations officialy with any state. Well, its a lost cause. Ldingley 20:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Kober, have you seen this? Iberian War Ldingley 14:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Go Go Sopho! [8] :) Ldingley 17:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

WWI

I was wondering if there is a resource that tells WWI from Democratic Republic of Georgia's perspective?OttomanReference 08:16, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Russian-Circassian War

Thanks for supporting the above articles FAC! It was successful! Thanks again SGGH ^speak! 10:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)