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List of entities existing in the Republic of Ireland after the Republic of Ireland Act came into effect, retaining a name linked to the monarchy of the United Kingdom.

Discussion

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  • 1939:[1] The attorney-general ‘the big question to be considered in the interests of consistency’ was ‘whether the prefix “royal” is to be continued as part of the titles of such institutions and bodies’. The taoiseach’s office memo written on 22 May 1939 stated: ‘In view of the awkward consequences inherent in this whole business of amendment it appeared to me that we should endeavour to avoid it if at all possible ... We might inform the solicitors to the academy what the position in regard to the academy is in our opinion and leave it to their common sense not to pursue the matter further’. No further action till 1948.
  • 1948:[2] RIAM governors passed a motion to delete "Royal" after RoIAct, but John Francis Larchet successfully advocated reversing the decision. ST O'Kelly would accept office of President of [R]IAM in succession to GG provided R dropped from name; not done.
  • 1948-9:[3] Press, esp Irish Press, considered the question.
  • Dáil 7 Dec 1949 Aiken asked Costello[4]

"Changing the name of an organisation established by Royal Charter is complicated and would probably involve the Oireachtas. It is straightforward for those, like the RHSI, with mere patronage."[5]

Arguments:

Note some organisations use "Royal" in a non-British sense. The county nicknames for Kerry and Meath are "the Kingdom" and "the Royal County"; hence "Royal Tara Golf Club".[7]

Table

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Name Founded Royal patronage End (closed/renamed) Field Notes
Royal Irish Academy 1785[8] 1786[8] Learned society
Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland 1784[9] 1784[9] Education
Royal Hibernian Academy 1823[10] 1823[10] Art Responding in 2016 to questions of over the retention of the Royal prefix, RHA president Michael O'Dea said, "Our charter gives us an all-island responsibility, which means, like the [Ireland rugby team], we can draw our team members from both jurisdictions." He characterised the retention as "acceptance of the complexity of [the RHA's] history".[11]
Royal Irish Academy of Music 1848[12] 1872[12] Education "Founded in 1848—reorganised in 1856"[13]
Royal College of Physicians of Ireland 1654[9] 1667[9] Education
Royal Academy of Medicine in Ireland 1882[14] 1887[14] Learned society[14]
Royal St George Yacht Club 1838[15] 1845[15] Club, yachting
Royal Irish Yacht Club 1831[16] 1831[17] Club, yachting
Royal School, Cavan 1608[18] 1608[18] Education
Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland 1849[19] 1869[19] Learned society 1869 grant as "Royal Historical and Archaeological Association of Ireland"; name changed in 1890.[19]
Royal Alfred Yacht Club 1857[17] 1870[17] Club, yachting Originally "Irish Model Yacht Club"; Alfred was Alfred, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, son of Queen Victoria.[20]
Royal Galway Yacht Club 18xx 1882 2019 Club, yachting Extant 1935.[21] Gradually defunct by 1950s. In 1990 Michael Morris, 3rd Baron Killanin gave his club burgee to Enda O'Coineen, to be flown by NCB Ireland in the 1989–1990 Whitbread Round the World Race.[22] O'Coineen in 1992 wrote "the revival of the Royal Galway Yacht Club, which claim to get their royalty, not from Britain (though the Royal Charter remains) but from the ancient high kings of Ireland, stretches the imagination somewhat".[23] In 2007–2011 O'Coineen was attempting to revive the club as aa "virtual club".[22] "On Monday, 22 July 2019, Donal Morrissey & Brian Siggins, Trustees of the Royal Galway Yacht Club handed over the Record Books & Associated books to the Corrib Rowing & Yachting Club"[24]
Royal Canal 1789 1789 Royal Canal Company incorporated in 1789; canal completed in 1817; canal company acquired by MGWR in 1845, folded into GSR in 1924, folded into CIÉ in 1945. Canal transferred to OPW in 1986.[25]
Royal Victoria Eye and Ear Hospital 1897[26] 1897[27] Hospital
Royal Cork Yacht Club 1720[28] 1831[28] Club, yachting
Royal Curragh Golf Club 1858 1910[29][7] Dropped 1922, restored 2013[29] Club, golf Originally associated with the Curragh Camp, "Royal" dropped after British Army withdrew; reinstated after Queen Elizabeth II's state visit to the Republic of Ireland[29][29]
Royal Dublin Golf Club 1885[30] 1891[30] Club, golf
Royal Dublin Society 1731[31] 1820[31][32]
Royal Irish Automobile Club 1901[33] 1918[33][34] Club, motoring
Royal Western Yacht Club of Ireland 1828[35] 1832 or 1828[35] Defunct and re-established Club, yachting
Royal Horticultural Society of Ireland 1816[36] 1838[36] "sometime before 1848"[37] In 2023 consulted members about dropping Royal prefix.[37][38]
Royal Veterinary College of Ireland 1895[39][40] 1895[40] 1977 Education Absorbed into University College Dublin [40]
Royal Bank of Ireland 1836[41] 1836? 1966 Merged into Allied Irish Banks[42]
Royal Institute of the Architects of Ireland 1839[43] 1839[44] Professional institute
Theatre Royal, Dublin 1820 1820 1962 Patent theatre Closed 1962.
Theatre Royal Waterford 1785 1785? Patent theatre Reopened 1958
Royal Munster Yacht Club 1872[17] 1890–92[45][46] 1966 Club, yachting Merged with Royal Cork Yacht Club in 1966.
Royal and Prior School, Raphoe 1608[18] 1608[18] Education Royal School, Raphoe merged with Prior School, Lifford in 1971.[47]
Royal Hospital, Donnybrook 1743[48] 1800[48] Hospital
Royal Zoological Society of Ireland 1830[49] 1838[50] 1993 Science Replaced in 1993 by a new "Zoological Society of Ireland" company
Royal Botanic Gardens 1795[51] 1878[52] ?extant Science Long since generally called "National Botanic Gardens", but as recently as 2002, a statute refers to "Royal Botanic Gardens".[53]
Royal City of Dublin Hospital 1832[54] 1900 Hospital Closed 1987.[54]
Royal National Hospital for Consumption for Ireland 1893 1963 Hospital Sanatorium in Newcastle, County Wicklow; opened in 1896, closed in 1963.[55]
Royal Astronomer of Ireland 1783 (Andrews Professor of Astronomy) 1792 1966 Office vacant from 1921, abolished by 1966 revision of university statutes.[56]
Royal Hospital Kilmainham 1684 1684 1955 Hospital Military retirement home not used as such after 1929, but charitable trust remained until 1955; last pensioner died in 1952 (in Royal Hospital, Chelsea).[57]
Royal Geological Society of Ireland 1831 1864 Learned society

Other

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Possible hotels; some at least may have requested royal patronage before 1922 and retained the name after 1949; other may have unilaterally adopted the name before or after those dates.

  • Royal Hotel, Boyle [closed]
  • Royal Hotel, Bray "Royal Hotel and Merrill Leisure Centre"
  • Royal Hotel, Carlow
  • T.F. Royal Hotel & Theatre, Castlebar
  • Royal Hibernian Hotel, Dublin? (Opened 1751, closed 1982)
  • Radisson Blu Royal Hotel, Dublin, Dublin
  • Royal Marine Hotel Dun Laoghaire
  • Royal Hotel Fermoy
  • Royal Hotel, Glendalough
  • Sullivans Royal Hotel, Gort
  • Royal Hotel, Howth
  • Killarney Royal Hotel (Not the Royal Victoria Hotel, on the site of the Castlerosse Hotel.[58])
  • Royal George Hotel, Limerick
  • Cruise's Royal Hotel, Limerick
  • Royal Hotel, Monaghan
  • Royal Hotel, New Ross [?closed 2007]
  • Royal Valentia Hotel aka Royal Hotel Valentia

Regius Professors:

Also things named after individual royals

etc etc

Royal charters updated by private acts [dates of charter / letters patent in preamble of act]

  • Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland [11th day of February 1784; 13th day of September 1828; 11th day of January 1844; 31st day of October 1883; 23rd day of May 1885; ] 2003 1965
  • Trinity College, Dublin [3rd day of March 1592; 25th day of May 1637; divers Letters Patent; 24th day of May 1911; ] 2000
  • Royal College of Physicians of Ireland [15th day of December 1692; 12th day of December 1878; 5th day of August 1890; 27th day of June 1905] 1979
  • Institution of Civil Engineers of Ireland [15th day of October 1877] 1969 1966 1960
  • Royal Hospital For Incurables, Dublin [7th day of January 1800; 13th day of April 1886; 25th day of June 1887] 1953
  • Convalescent Home, Stillorgan [26th day of October 1918] 1958

References

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Sources

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  • Mullaney-Dignam, Karol Anne (January 2008). State, Nation and Music in Independent Ireland, 1922-51 (PDF) (PhD). NUI Maynooth.
    • pp.68-76 "1.12 The ‘royal’ crises, 1938 and 1948"
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Citations

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  1. ^ Mullaney-Dignam p.71
  2. ^ Mullaney-Dignam p.73
  3. ^ Mullaney-Dignam p.73-74
  4. ^ "Questions. Oral Answers. - Use of title "Royal"". Dáil Éireann Debate. 7 December 1949. pp. Vol.118 No.14 p.3 cc.2033–35. Retrieved 23 September 2017.
  5. ^ a b c d e "The Irish Times view on the Royal Horticultural Society of Ireland: what's in a name?". The Irish Times. 20 November 2023. Retrieved 21 November 2023.
  6. ^ McDowell, Michael (22 November 2023). "What message does it send to unionists if we start erasing the word 'royal' from our institutions?". The Irish Times. Retrieved 22 November 2023.
  7. ^ a b O'Sullivan, John (16 July 2019). "Royal Portrush is one of six clubs on the island that has a royal prefix". The Irish Times. p. 15. Retrieved 18 July 2021.
  8. ^ a b "RIA brochure" (PDF). Royal Irish Academy. 2008. p. 26. Retrieved 2009-04-15.
  9. ^ a b c d RCSI history
  10. ^ a b Cullen, Fintan (2001). "Exhibitions pre-1970". In W. J. McCormack (ed.). The Blackwell Companion to Modern Irish Culture. Wiley-Blackwell. p. 205. ISBN 0631228179.
  11. ^ O'Dea, Michael. "Irish institutions and 'royal' prefixes". The Irish Times. Retrieved 21 September 2020.
  12. ^ a b RIAM history
  13. ^ Pine, Richard; Acton, Charles (1998-01). To talent alone: the Royal Irish Academy of Music, 1848-1998. Gill & Macmillan. p. xi. ISBN 0717127591. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  14. ^ a b c RAMI history
  15. ^ a b RSGYC history
  16. ^ RIYC history
  17. ^ a b c d Mason, Herbert B. (1908). Encyclopaedia of ships and shipping. The Shipping Encyclopaedia.
  18. ^ a b c d 400th anniversary of the founding of the five Royal Schools in Ulster in 2008
  19. ^ a b c RSAI history
  20. ^ About Us Royal Alfred Yacht Club
  21. ^ "Rowing; Irish Amateur Union; Election of Officers and Dates for Regattas". The Irish Times. 23 February 1935. p. 4. Retrieved 4 June 2021.
  22. ^ a b About royalgalway; Royal Galway Yacht Club, Ireland FOTW
  23. ^ O'Coineen, Enda (15 May 1992). "Yachting". The Irish Times. p. 19. Retrieved 4 June 2021.
  24. ^ LoughCorrib Facebook
  25. ^ Cox, Ronald C. (1998). Ireland. Civil Engineering Heritage. Michael H. Gould. Thomas Telford. pp. 64–5. ISBN 0727726277.
  26. ^ Royal Victoria Eye and Ear Hospital: History
  27. ^ "Royal Victoria Eye and Ear Hospital". The Irish Times. 19 August 1897. p. 5. Retrieved 2009-04-15.
  28. ^ a b RCYC history
  29. ^ a b c d "Granting of Royal Title". Royal Curragh Golf Club. Retrieved 26 September 2017.
  30. ^ a b Royal Dublin history
  31. ^ a b "RDS history". Royal Dublin Society. 2005. Retrieved 2009-04-15.
  32. ^ Royal Dublin Society, The (1981). RDS, The Royal Dublin Society, 1731-1981. Ireland: Gill and Macmillan. p. 30. ISBN 9780717111251. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  33. ^ a b About the RIAC
  34. ^ "The Royal Irish Automobile Club". The Irish Times. 15 August 1918. p. 2. Retrieved 2009-04-15.
  35. ^ a b Royal Western Yacht Club of Ireland
  36. ^ a b RHSI History
  37. ^ a b Royal Horticultural Society of Ireland to consider pruning ‘Royal’ from its name
  38. ^ Keena, Colm (19 November 2023). "Royal Horticultural Society of Ireland to consider pruning 'Royal' from its name". The Irish Times. Retrieved 21 November 2023.
  39. ^ http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1913/apr/15/royal-veterinary-college-ireland#S5CV0051P0_19130415_HOC_216. Parliamentary Debates (Hansard). House of Commons. 5 April 1913. col. 1814. {{cite book}}: |chapter-url= missing title (help)
  40. ^ a b c Records of the Royal Veterinary College of Ireland
  41. ^ Ó Gráda, Cormac (1995). Ireland: A New Economic History, 1780-1939. Oxford University Press. p. 144. ISBN 0198205988.
  42. ^ Wilson, John Stuart Gladstone (1986). Banking policy and structure: a comparative analysis. Taylor & Francis. p. 54. ISBN 0709927835.
  43. ^ About the RIAI
  44. ^ Hume, Abraham (1847). The learned societies and printing clubs of the United Kingdom. Longman, Brown, Green, and Longmans. p. 206. Retrieved 2009-04-15.
  45. ^ "Races in Cork Harbour". The Irish Times. 11 June 1890. p. 7. Retrieved 2009-04-15. Under the auspices of the Munster Corinthian Yacht Club two races were sailed to-day
  46. ^ "Yachting in the south: prospects of the coming season". The Southern Star. 14 May 1892. p. 3. Then follows the regatta of the Royal Munster Yacht Club {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)
  47. ^ Royal & Prior School Raphoe Ethos statement
  48. ^ a b The Royal Hospital, Donnybrook (Charter Amendment) Order, 1990: Motion Dáil Éireann - Volume 409 - 13 June, 1991
  49. ^ Kilfeather, Siobhán Marie (2005). Dublin: a cultural history. Oxford University Press US. p. 115. ISBN 0195182014.
  50. ^ Kilfeather, p.116
  51. ^ "A Brief History of the Gardens". National Botanic Gardens. 23 December 2005.
  52. ^ Hickey, Denis Joseph (2003). A new dictionary of Irish history from 1800 (2nd ed.). Gill & Macmillan. p. 330. ISBN 0717125203. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  53. ^ "S.I. No. 356/2002 — Heritage (Transfer of Departmental Administration and Ministerial Functions) Order 2002". Government of Ireland. 10 July 2002. §4.1 (c). Retrieved 2009-06-25. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |nopp= ignored (|no-pp= suggested) (help)
  54. ^ a b http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/1987/05/21/00023.asp. Parliamentary Debates (Hansard). Dáil. 21 May 1987. {{cite book}}: |chapter-url= missing title (help)
  55. ^ Wheelock, Harriet (3 February 2011). "RCPI Heritage Centre Blog: New Acquisition – the papers of the Newcastle Sanatorium, co. Wicklow". Retrieved 16 October 2015.
  56. ^ "The Andrews Professor of Astronomy (1783)". School of Physics. Trinity College Dublin. Retrieved 26 September 2017.
  57. ^ "Dáil Éireann Debate - Wednesday, 28 February 1962". Retrieved 26 September 2017.; "S.I. No. 260/1955 - Royal Hospital, Kilmainham (Dissolution of Governors and Revocation of Charters) Order, 1955". Irish Statute Book. Retrieved 26 September 2017.
  58. ^
    • Flanagan, Patrick Joseph (1969). Transport in Ireland, 1880–1910. Transport Research Associates. p. 30. The Prince of Wales was gracious enough to patronise the Victoria Hotel on his visit to Killarney and the event was soon to be commemorated in a change of name to the Royal Victoria Hotel.
    • "History". Castlerosse Hotel. Retrieved 18 July 2021. The Castlerosse Hotel however was not the first hotel built on this site. The Royal Victoria Hotel, one of Ireland's first "grand" hotels occupied this exact location during the 19th and early 20th century and played host to Princes, Dukes and Earls and, according to popular legend, enjoyed a brief visit by Queen Victoria on her visit to Killarney in 1861.

See also

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