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Archive 1

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Father Ted article - length of summaries

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Benjamin Linus age

You should look at Lost and learn what they say casue he looks like 40s but the say 26 and it have whent 3 years - Tada 29 year --83.248.198.93 20:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC) OMiD

Sarcasm

That wasn't a "sarcastic" edit on George Mason (24 character). There are plenty of people - I'm not one of them - who will insist that some form of comment on the actor's appearance in the picture is required to meet our twisted, pretzel-like fair use guidelines. (Or the policy, WP:FUC.) That entry should be "innoculuated" against changes by those who will, undoubtedly, be along shortly, by including "critical commentary." Not my policy, not my belief... but it's how some people here are playing the game. Jenolen ^{speak it!} 21:33, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Easier reversions using popups

Hey, I just glanced at your contribs and it looks like you do a good bit of reverting changes, so you might benefit from looking at Navigation popups, which makes the process easier. --dinomite 16:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

stop messing up the 24 episode pages

NEVER delete a large amount of info without discussing in the talk page. Your edits can be perceived as vandalism. I revered all your edits since I believe that the death toll and trivia are important elements to this particular tv show. If you disagree, bring it to the talk page. Chris 01:03, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

24 death count

Alright. The reason I want to keep the death count is that it is one of the special element of 24 and it has been like that for past season. And trivia is just fun facts. I know they are unnecessary, but it is ok to keep them. 1 reply is not enough to found consensus among people. Meanwhile, dont edit the page. Edit war is bad. Chris 18:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Deficiency continued

I'm a student at Trinity. I'd signed up to help with our maths open day that morning, and I thought I might as well head down to see what sort of talks they were laying on. The scary thing is that Beardon chose to talk about exactly the work I should have been doing that day but was ignoring to go to the open day instead. Anyway, how did you like Cambridge? Algebraist 18:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Differential geometry is beautiful. Thermodynamics is ok, if you're into physics. Unfortunately, the applied maths department here has a pretty small number of lecturers who are neither boring nor incomprehensible. I'm a third year undergrad; finals start on Monday. Wikipedia is just one of my ways of avoiding revision. Algebraist 19:33, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

sorry about the delay; I don't use messenger and had to sign up first. Online now as (email in history) Algebraist 19:42, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Database article

Hi AlgebraMan, I removed the ForensicScience info box you added to the database article as inappropriate. Although forensics makes use of databases, so do untold number of other areas. JD Lambert 20:26, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Trivia tag

Hello. I see you're adding the Trivia tag to many articles. I tend to add the tag to the trivia section itself. It's seems a more appropriate place, and isn't as ugly to visitors. The JPS ^{talk to me} 13:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Infobox University transclusions

Are those HTML line breaks really necessary? I'm not complaining as such, but it's always good practice to keep markup to a minimum. If you need to insert markup in another template with lots of transclusions, then a more elegant solution might be found in tinkering with the template itself. Thanks. — mholland (talk) 13:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

(Response)

I'll not revert you - there's no harm done. I prefer a comma-separated list, personally, but if there's much call for line breaks, I daresay it's achievable. Happy editing. — mholland (talk) 14:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Jesus College, Oxford

Hi - the WikiProject tags that you added were already there (in the section labelled "This article is within the scope of multiple WikiProjects") so I removed them. Regards, Bencherlite ^Talk 11:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Present Head of Hogwarts

I would like to say that Minerva McGonagall is the current head of hogwarts (Jk Rowling said this in a interview there is a iink to it on the Minerva McGonagall i suggest you read these interviews before you change articles

Ridiculous Allegiances

I agree with your intent, but you need to explain it out a bit nmore to the plebes every once in a while (as you did for Narcissa Malfoy). Otherwise, a lot more people revert it on the basis that your removal and edit summary was too vague. Just my bit of helpful advice. :) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 23:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

As you liukely know, not all people read all the different Potter pages. It helps to indiviidualize when necessary. People put a lot of love and effort into these pages, so however misguided they are in adding speculative minutae in there (pls. note the recent discussion regarding infobox colours in the WP wikiproject discussion page), it pays to respect that effort and guide them to where you need them to go. More flies with honey than with vinegar, and whatnot. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 23:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Like Arcayne I agree with you on principle, but don't really agree with your methods. For instance, not all of the removed allegiances are so "ridiculous," and saying so could rub some contributors the wrong way. Though some may be (i.e. Luna Lovegood and The Quibbler), others have a bit more logic behind them (Dumbledore and Hogwarts). By the way, you might want to revisit Luna's page, you missed her father. Faithlessthewonderboy 23:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Re:Userpage Blanking

No problem, happy to do it. I know the feeling, some people take things (and themselves) far too seriously--Jac16888 21:08, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Colleges of Cambridge

Thanks for your message, Asyndeton. In general, I think words or phrases should be linked if there should be an article about them eventually. A red link can sometimes prompt people to create an article. But even more importantly it means that when the article is eventually created, it's already linked from all the right places. Otherwise the person who creates the article would have to guess all the places it might be referred to, and add the links, and they'll probably miss some.

This is discussed at WP:RED, which puts it this way: 'If the article is likely to be useful in a "final version" of wikipedia, it should be linked now.'

Stephen Turner (Talk) 21:27, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorcerer's Stone/Philosopher's Stone

I am sorry, but both are noteworthy, as they are both the title of the book, and US readers might not know of the alternate titling. Feel free to comment on this, but I think that you are wrong in redacting it, and am going to need some convincing that only one title is needed. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 08:29, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

The fact that the book might be titled in other languages and end up with different titles is not on point here, bud. Both book titles are in English and, this being the English wikipedia means that we need to mention it in the infobox and the first time it appears in the articles. Also keep in mind that because the films and books are on equally notable footing, the British-produced film was called HP & the Sorcerer's Stone. If anything, Sorcerer's Stone usage dominates the noteworthiness category (ie, when you have two sources that say 'A' and one that says 'B' , you either note both, or in the case of opposition, go with 'B' .)

If you think this is a matter we should be addressing on the HP1 page, or the Project Page, I don't mind going there to discuss it. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 19:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Affiliations

I've put in my two cents. :) -WarthogDemon 20:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

...for the assist. I had altered it before some time ago late night, and missed the need to adjust the grammar. It's one of my pet peeves as well. Again, thanks for the help and thanks for checking out my user page. :) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 23:17, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:WAF

I cautiosly edited your post at WT:WAF to preserve the intended meaning. You see, surrounding wiki-markup syntax with <nowiki>...</nowiki> is necessary to make it be displayed as ordinary text. —AldeBaer 17:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, the preview button does the trick... —AldeBaer 17:56, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Ginny Weasley

Be careful here, even though you are in the right, you could get in trouble for WP:3RR. I highly recommend you ask WP:RFPP to semi prot the page --lucid 21:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Again, read WP:3RR --lucid 21:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Let me know if you need some help. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 22:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Infobox change

I assisted you a bit in making the changes, taking hte time to clear out the vestigial infobox categories as well (minor house characters as well) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 22:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I thought I nabbed all the ones you hadn't. What ones were hidden away? Btw, while you're doing that, kill off the vestigials of the hair, eye, and allegiance/loyalty, would you? - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 22:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Just pointing out, Allegiance/Loyalty would be acceptable, as per WP:WAF guidelines on infoboxes, as the series does have warring factions, so including who has an allegiance to Voldemort (sp) and who has an allegiance to Harry or Dumbledore (or whoever opposed the bad guy) would be acceptable to include. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 22:11, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry

No worries here my friend, I haven't slept so I am naturally irritable. Have a good day! Scarian ^Talk 10:48, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Draco Malfoy

Your idea of "vandalism" is pretty far out there. Relax. 69.109.209.243 17:08, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Your edit to house

Hi, I noticed your [1] to House (TV series)? Well, I just wanted to point out that it might have not been vandalism. Apparently in Season 4, instead of bothering to memorize the new characters' names, Gregory House decided to remember them by random numbers instead of by their names. Of course the anonymous editor himself could have just used a random number to make the edit look plausible. mirageinred 18:28, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Mea culpa

I noticed your recent edit to Ginny Weasley, regarding "real, aka british, english." Then I came here and found that you're trying to suppress all mention of the "Sorcerer's Stone" name in the HP:PS article.

I politely suggest you come off it. I understand and agree with the policy to use British English on the Harry Potter articles, but one American editor slipping up and forgetting to use a spelling he considers foreign does not warrant your exasperation, nor does your overt contempt of a dialect warrant your Orwellization of its country's idiosyncrasies.

As was pointed out above, this is the English language Wikipedia, with no national allegiance. Unless you plan to mount an effort to fork en.wikipedia.org into a British version and an American version — and trust me, such an attempt would be a source of great entertainment to me and many others — you need to learn to play well with other children. SFT | Talk 03:48, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

You're right, and I'm sorry. I was in a bad mood and looking for a fight, and you were the first person I came across. SFT | Talk 16:52, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Template:OEIS

{{OEIS}} is not intended to be put in a reference. That is why the text is in parentheses. If you want to change the use then you can make a suggestion, for example at Template talk:OEIS, but please don't change a lot of articles without discussion. PrimeHunter 20:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Articles

Given how restrictive wikipedia has become of late, both with images and with articles, I don't think I'll be sticking around much longer (since the 24 wiki doesn't deal in spoilers, that's not much better). In the mean time, why don't don't you check out the large number of Highlander characters and do something about that? --T smitts 03:28, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip off on the articles I have spent time before cleaning them up such as removing pointless user boxes and such. I would like to say that a large number of tags have been placed but no discussion initiated, this is important for the merger process. Do you also think you could initiate some of the mergers you proposed to help with the backlog when the discussions have ended. Keep up the good work, --Lucy-marie 17:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Formula plural

Hello. I notice that you are expending some effort to change "formulas" to "formulae" in a number of articles. I note that Merriam Webster gives both spellings as acceptable: [2]. I wonder why you are making this switch. Feel free to share your thoughts. In a quick check of a few popular mathematics text I have on hand, "formulas" is used exclusively. Cheers, Doctormatt 16:38, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I hope you don't mind if I attempt to discuss this with you. I notice that wiktionary has no sources listed (I'm not really familiar with wiktionary - if sources are there, I'd appreciate knowing that), so I don't know how much credibility to give to this article's claim of correct usage. (This seems to have been a point between two users, as far I can infer from the edit summary of the wiktionary article.) Perhaps I should just discuss this at the wiktionary article. Cheers, Doctormatt 17:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Our Formula article too lists both plural forms, as do most dictionaries; see for example here and here. It is in general ill advised to change some spelling large-scale because it happens not to be the form you personally prefer, and even less so if that personal preference of yours is in fact not the more common one; in fact, such activity is frowned upon. --Lambiam 18:33, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

You are mistaken if you believe that for some reason the only possibly correct English plural of an English word taken from language X is the plural of that word in language X. If that were the case, the plural of boom would be bomen, that of architrave would be architravi, that of yoghurt would be yoghurtler, that of colon would be cola, and that of album would be alba. --Lambiam 19:03, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Heroes Infobox template

I cannot seem to find the actual infobox structure that shows the font colorings of the Heroes template. Do you know where it is? I've looked at most of the items marked 'Heroes template', but none of them shows where the text is white on a black background. Help? - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 16:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm a recent addition to the crew. And no, the link doesn't show me where the coloring for the infobox is coming from. A lot of infoboxes show the html coloring scheme in the template. This doesn't, and therefore makes it difficult to change. And it needs to go back to black and white (and not white text on a black background). :) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 17:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I'll be the lightning rod for the criticism, if its incoming. I've removed some of the categories, and renamed portrayer (which is simply awkward language) to actor (which is gender neutral). I think that the individual articles aren't going to auto-remove the information from the categories I've removed, so it might be helpful to go through the characters and remove it by hand, ie. a fait accompli. I will start at the end, and you can start at the beginning, and we can meet in the middle. Sound good? - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 13:49, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, knocked it out myself. I think the family stuff should stay, as apparently, all the supers were sleeping around, giving birth to other supers. These connections seem to matter int he series, so I am hesitant about removing them.

I am a bit on the fence about the image caption. Usually, that is used to represent an image that is for a specific person (ie, one of the Doctors of Dr. Who) or to identify the artist of a piece of placeholder artwork. Thoughts? - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 14:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

All are excellent ideas, and the only reason why I don;t think you should implement them right away is that I think its time to involve the rest of the contributors. You make good arguments; I see the points clearly, and I will defend them alongside you, but we need to work with them and help the otyhers to see hat this is a pretty good way to go about it. What do you think? - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 19:36, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Lost

So you're saying you went and added italics to the other articles because what… a single article has it? Surely that should of screamed to you "THIS PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE IN ITALICS!"

I'll go ahead and revert all your italics edits, for the sake of consistency… of course! Matthew 15:57, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

All done, I think :-)! Matthew 16:00, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh it did, but I couldn't be bothered to use popups! xD

Matthew 16:13, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Quadratic equation

Sorry about implying in my edit summary that your edit was vandalism. I'm sure fatigue on my side was involved. I was looking at the Oct13 edits and must have hit the "revert" button instead of the "restore" version. So my edit was wrong, then somebody reverted that (which left a wrong "2" in), and I fixed that and now I think the two pieces of gunk are out. -R. S. Shaw 19:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

TV 24 coordinates

I saw your deletion, or "you're deletion" as another poster may put it. I still believe I'm correct that the Marwan's voice was dubbed. It was obvious to me, but still speculation on my part since I didn't get this information from the sound editor.

But it is clear that Marwan gives coordinates that are in Nevada, not Iowa or Nebraska, where the CTU maps show as the launch point.

So, would you at least agree that the following is not speculation and is an actual goof?

12:04 AM: Marwan gives the coordinates "of the third one" as N37 14', W115 21'. This is a location NE of the Nevada Test Site.

BTW, I've worked at NTS, been to Frenchman Flats.

Gouveia2 17:11, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi. What I removed is speculation unless a source is cited. End of. I don't remember the fine details of the show; why is the thing you wrote on my page a goof? And to be honest, goof or not, it's just a piece of trivia that will probably be removed in the long run anyway, such as TTN did in Season 5 here. And is the "you're deletion" thing some bad reference to the typo in my edit summary? asyndeton 17:23, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

1) I read this on another talk page "On you're userpage under programming languages you list...". I thought I read it on your talk page written by someone else.

2) Goofs is a common section in Wikipedia, especially for film and TV subjects. It may be trivia to some, but it is an interesting section for others.

3) Much of what is written in a film and TV wiki is self-referenced. Anyone can simply review the film and verify the existence of the quote, or plot sequence, or blocking.

4) The quote is part of a discrepancy between two parts of the show. So, it is a goof or, if you prefer, a blooper, gaffe, or blunder.

Gouveia2 20:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't remember saying that the goofs sections wasn't interesting; however it is trivia - that is a fact not an opinion - and if you read WP:TRIVIA you will see that trivia sections are discouraged throughout Wikipedia. Therefore, interesting or not, it shouldn't be there. And I say again, it just isn't notable. asyndeton 20:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Nowhere in WP:TRIVIA does it say that a Blunders or Goof section is trivia. So, the fact is -- it may be the opinion of some that Goofs are trivia. Clear cases of trivia include second and third hand connections to the subject, and unimportant details. Goof and Bloopers sections are a common part of Wikipedia articles on movies and TV shows. Gouveia2 22:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

"24" Merge-a-Palooza

This massive character merge-fest you and Lucy-marie will wind up placing most of the articles in a single, massive artilce that will have to be split. Besides, you claim that every single villain, sans Nina, has made no impact in the show. They are the main antagonists, just cause they are dead it doesn't mean they've made no impact.--Gonzalo84 22:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

24 mergers

Please could you help me out by proceeding with some f the mergers. Cheers--Lucy-marie 15:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

The simplest way is to read the article and cut out any of teh unecessary stuff and then insert the necesary stuff into an apropriate place in the minor characters list. The blank the character page and redirect to the minor character list then blank the talk page and redirect to the minor characters talk page . Any more probs just have a nosey at how I did it.--Lucy-marie 17:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Talk pages should be checked and blanked if necessarry. For example the hal gardner talk page shoul dnot be blanked as there is an archive there. Others should be blanked ifthe only discussion is of the merge.--Lucy-marie 18:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

British English

Hi, I've noticed that you are uniformly changing -ize word endings in certain British-related articles to -ise endings. While this is in order and uncontroversial, it's probably a bit of a waste of time. The -ize endings are also standard British English. Although -ise is more commonly used, -ize has influential British proponents such as OED and Fowler. See American_and_British_English_spelling_differences#-ise_/_-ize. --Tony Sidaway 13:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Are you in fact a subject of the crown, educated in England? - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 22:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I am, though edumikated at Oxford. :) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 23:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Dumbledore vote

Hey,

Thanks for including me in the vote. This is the most contentious "discussion" I've ever had part in here, and it kinda freaked me out... the democratic process is something I'm much more comfortable with. :) Seansinc 15:17, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

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Re notable alumni etc

Hi there, I saw your edits to the alumni lists across a number of Oxford colleges: just to say 'great work'. I've been looking at this myself as you'll see from the talk page at The Queen's College, Oxford: I think the way the University of Manchester utilises a section of this sort is a model for all other articles...IMHO :D Coldmachine^Talk 17:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you; it's always nice to feel appreciated. It's a good start, but I still think that there is a way to go before the lists are at a reasonable size. I'm currently discussing it on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject University of Oxford and your opinion would be quite welcome. asyndeton 18:12, 15 November 2007 (UTC)