User:Alexh19740110/Draft RfC Bdow
Invasion of Litoral Department (The War) draft RfC proposals
[edit]proposal #1
[edit]News of the invasion reached Hilarión Daza, but he postponed mention of it until the end of the carnival festivities. Daza then made a public manifesto informing Bolivians and calling for patriotic support. According to Bruce Farcau, the same day the Bolivian legislature authorized a formal declaration of war upon Chile. Next, Daza issued a decree which prohibited all commerce and communications with Chile "while the state-of-war provoked upon Bolivia lasts", provided Chileans ten days to leave Bolivian territory unless gravely ill or handicapped, embargoed Chilean furniture, property, and mining produce, allowed Chilean mining companies to continue operating under a government-appointed administrator, and provided all embargoes as temporary "unless the hostilities exercised by Chilean forces requires an energetic retaliation from Bolivia". Finally, Bolivia declared war in an announcement to representatives of foreign powers in Lima. Bolivia called on Peru to activate the alliance treaty, arguing that Chile's invasion constituted a casus foederis.
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[edit]supports the existence of BDoW on March 1 but not March 14 or 18
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supports the existence of BDoW on March 14 but not March 1
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supports the existence of BDoW on March 18 but not March 1
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vague (vague) supporting sources
[edit]supports the existence of BDoW but date (March 1 or March14/18) is not given
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sources contradicting proposal #1 because they say the DoW did not happen
[edit]sources against a March 1 DoW
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proposal #2
[edit]News of the invasion reached Hilarión Daza on February 20, but he decided to postpone mention of it until the end of the carnival festivities. On February 27, Daza made a public manifesto informing Bolivians and calling for patriotic support. According to historian Bruce Farcau, that same day the Bolivian legislature authorized a formal declaration of war upon Chile. On March 1, Daza issued a decree which prohibited all commerce and communications with Chile "while the state-of-war provoked upon Bolivia lasts", provided Chileans ten days to leave Bolivian territory unless gravely ill or handicapped, embargoed Chilean furniture, property, and mining produce, allowed Chilean mining companies to continue operating under a government-appointed administrator, and provided all embargoes as temporary "unless the hostilities exercised by Chilean forces requires an energetic retaliation from Bolivia". On March 14, in a meeting with foreign powers in Lima, Bolivia announced a state of war with Chile. Bolivia called on Peru to activate the alliance treaty, arguing that Chile's invasion constituted a casus foederis.
sources supporting proposal #2
[edit]sources that explicitly support this wording
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sources that suggest there was in fact no BDoW
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Lead draft RfC proposal
[edit]proposal #1
[edit]The War of the Pacific (Spanish: Guerra del Pacífico) took place in western South America from 1879 through 1883. Chile fought against Bolivia and Peru. Despite cooperation among Chile, Peru, and Bolivia in the war against Spain, disputes soon arose over the mineral-rich Peruvian provinces of Tarapaca, Tacna, and Arica, and the Bolivian province of Antofagasta. Chilean enterprises, which largely exploited the area, saw their interests at stake when Peru nationalized all nitrate mines in Tarapaca, and Bolivia imposed a 10 cent tax on the Antofagasta Nitrate & Railway Company. The problem primarily focused on Bolivia and Chile due to their controversy over ownership of Atacama, which preceded and laid foundations for their dispute. Chile began the armed conflict by occupying Antofagasta on February 14, 1879, and invading the Bolivian Litoral without a prior declaration of war. Peru notified Bolivia of the situation, and entered the affair as a mediator to the dispute. Nonetheless, Peru's mediation became compromised by Bolivia's announcement of a state of war with Chile and its desire to activate their "Treaty of Mutual Defense." Chile demanded Peru's immediate neutrality, but Peru suggested its congress should first debate the matter. Disatisfied with the response, Chile formally declared war on both countries on April 5, 1879, and the following day Peru activated the alliance.
proposal #2
[edit]discussion
[edit]After several weeks we have been unable to agree on a compromise and would like three or more uninvolved editors who are not nationalists from Chile, Peru or Bolivia, to vote on the proposal which is most appropriate considering Wikipedia's policies of weight and no original research. Proposal #1 is preferred by a Chilean editor, Keysanger, whereas proposal #2 is preferred by two Peruvian editors. #1 is supported by at least 11 reliable secondary sources. However, Proposal #1 is arguably contradicted by sources specifying that the BDoW occurred on March 1, and by a couple of Peruvian/Bolivian sources which say there was no BDoW. Proposal #2 has the advantage that it is consistent with all sources, but arguably hides the fact of a BDoW from the reader. Alex Harvey (talk) 07:55, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
new draft RFC proposal
[edit]- Should this article state that On March 14, Bolivia declared war on Chile or On March 14, Bolivia announced a state of war with Chile?
Discussion
[edit]A minority view exists that Bolivia's March 14 announcement was not a declaration of war, but a naive allusion from a reckless president to what he regarded as a "state of war" that had existed since Chile invaded the Bolivian coast. At least 19 reliable sources have been adduced in support of the wording "Bolivia declared war", whereas at least 16 arguably reliable sources support the wording of a "state of war" already existing (and 6 more which support no declaration of war taking place at all). In the course of this discussion we have contacted an expert, Bruce Farcau, who believes that, historically speaking, "announcing that a state of war exists" and "declaring war" are the same thing. Farcau noted that FDR's declaration of war on Japan after Pearl Harbour also simply "announced that a state of war existed" as a result of Japan's attack.
- To sum up my point: If the wording used by Bolivia was that of "announcing a state of war" (As noted, Bolivia did not want to be seen as the aggressor, but rather felt that telling the world about its "problem" would prevent Chile from acquiring weapons), then the article should use that same exact wording but wikilink the "declaration of war" article to the text. Wikipedians should not alter historical statements, especially given the ability to "wikify" (inner links) text without manipulating information.--MarshalN20 | Talk 23:02, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Sources supporting wording "declaration of war"
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sources supporting the view that there was no formal declaration of war
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sources supporting the wording of "state of war"
[edit]sources that explicitly support this wording
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