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Archive 2012-05-24

Ndryshime

Po bej disa ndryshime ne faqet per historine e Shqiperise. E kam nisur me Qeverin e Ismail Qemalit dhe me Deklaraten e Pavaresise. Kam ndermend te hap nje faqe te perbashket per historine e Shqiperise pas vitit 1912, dmth te shtetit shqiptar dhe te zhduk faqen [[History of Albania (1919-1939), pjese te se ciles do t`i perfshije ne faqet perkatese Principality of Albania, Albanian Republic, Albanian Kingdom. Po e sheh te nevojshme, perfshihu edhe ti.Balkanian`s word (talk) 20:44, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Template: Kosovo Municipalities

Hi Ev,

Regarding the Template:Kosovo municipalities page, I noticed you have edited the template in August with the reason expressed in your edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Kosovo_municipalities&oldid=234575174. That is, you have removed 'redundant double names [...] thus creating a more comprehensive article' to keep up with English usage. That seems reasonable, until one thinks about the nature of Wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia. That is, an encyclopedia has to bear the truth and expose it. I am referring to factual truth. Consequently, names in that template should be displayed in the Albanian language followed by the Serbian one because both are official. If you want Wikipedia to be comprehensive, then go ahead and change the page names from Serbian to Albanian, given Kosovo's status and recognition. Otherwise, if you want a simple and easy-to-read WIkipedia, then these edits and your reasoning on those edits could very well apply to the Simple English Wikipedia, for those people who cannot cope with good standing reading of encyclopedias. I believe you understand my point. --_{A B X}^{T • ៛} 03:57, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Arber. Yes, my full edit summary reads: "removed redundant double names, keeping only those in common English usage the articles use, thus creating a simpler, more comprehensible version, easier to use & understand by English-speakers".

We try to provide comprehensive information to our readers -including the different names by which these places are known- in our articles. Navigation templates, on the other hand, aim merely at facilitating navigation between those articles, and not at providing detailed information. They aim at being comprehensible, understandable, easy to use, not comprehensive.

Keep in mind also that the official status of the names or languages (or of Kosovo itself) has little bearing in how we communicate information to our anglophone readership. Instead, we use the names the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize. In the case of Kosovo, for the moment most anglophones are more familiar with the Serbo-Croatian names.

In any case, in my book, simplicity tends to be a good thing. :-) Morover, simplicity does not necessarily entail lower quality. - Best, Ev (talk) 20:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. What the English-speaking world knows is the Serbian version of the geographical names because of the history we all (supposedly) know. However, I doubt that the American officials use diacritics (cf. Pristina). Maybe the names will change in the future (and logically they should, given the majority language). Anyways, this encyclopedia will reach a transit point - let's wait and see when that will occur.--_{A B X}^{T • ៛} 18:25, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Of course, I can imagine that Kosovo's declaration of independence may well induce a change in English usages, with the Serbo-Croatian names being phased out and the Albanian ones adopted. If/when that happens, the English-language Wikipedia should reflect that change, but not before.

The use of diacritics is a different matter: On this issue there is no agreement yet among Wikipedia editors, and thus no clearly established guidelines, with the issue being decided on a case by case basis.

Some editors think that diacritics should never be used, because they don't exist in what we may call the "English alphabet" and because they cause some technical difficulties when doing web searches.
Others see diacritics as just another case where the core criterion of common English usage applies: diacritics should be used only if they constitute the usual, standard spelling in English-language publications.
And yet others (like me) think that, given the technical limitations of an "English alphabet" that doesn't have them, the use of diacritics by a minority of highly reliable sources is enough to justify it's use in Wikipedia as "a more perfectionist and educative way to display the name" (just as Britannica and the National Geographic Magazine do in the case of Priština).

But, as you can see, the issue is not clear-cut.

In any case, remember that the reason many of us have for using or not diacritics is not related to taking sides on a ethno-political conflict, but is based on our perception of how Wikipedia's readers are best served: as I mentioned before, I think that diacritics are "a more perfectionist and educative way to display a name".

For the purposes of an encyclopedic article, I prefer to use "Priština" over "Pristina" for the same reasons I prefer to use "Hashim Thaçi" over "Hashim Thaci", and "çiftelia" over "ciftelia". (Of course, because now the article title is "Pristina", I no longer use my preferred "Priština" in articles). - Best, Ev (talk) 19:02, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: NPOV and "Northern Epirus"

Hi Arber. To comment on the template I would need to read more about the topic first (my knowledge about it is restricted to the negotiations leading to the Treaty of Versailles). I have just added the template to my watchlist, and will keep an eye on the discussion.

Removing instances of "Northern Epirus" such as this one is absolutely necessary; well done. "Northern Epirus" can be mentioned in our articles as a political or descriptive term, but only where appropriate and with the needed contextualization (who uses it; what is meant by it). Its use as a plain geographical reference is clearly inadmissible. - Best, Ev (talk) 15:49, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Clarification Re. Kosovo-Serbia naming

Those articles should have been moved & edited for consistency when "University of Pristina" & "Pristina" were moved. In the articles I have checked so far I have restored your edits, with three exceptions only:

Removing the caron of š in Categories (e.g. Category:University of Priština faculty) should be done only after a new one (e.g. Category:University of Pristina faculty) is created.
For some reason, {{coord missing|Kosovo}} does not work. {{coord missing|Serbia}} should be used until the issue is fixed.
I kept the address the Faculty of Arts of Pristina (in Zvečan) probably uses. The note indicating Kosovo's convoluted situation should be enough to clarify to our readers the otherwise odd address.

I will finish with the others tomorrow. Best, Ev (talk) 20:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I did a quick Wikipedia search for articles containing Pristina with the diacritic 'š', and I edited many articles accordingly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ABXDataLogic). This may create an "undo storm". Therefore, I suggest the following: We should place a note on TaskForce Albania and WikiProject Serbia acknowledging the fact that, where appropriate, Pristina should not be written as 'Prishtina' or 'Priština', but its common English name should be used.--_{A B X}^{T • ៛} 06:20, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I will be keeping an eye on edits re-inserting "Priština". If you think that notifing the WikiProjects would help, go ahead. :-) But perhaps it would be better to wait a little while to see if those edits are reverted. In these cases, where the issue is as straightforward as applying our current editorial policies, sometimes it is better to avoid starting potentially chaotic discussions before a real problem emerges. :-)

If you notify the projects, the rationale for using "Pristina" in all articles instead of "Priština" or "Prishtina" is quite simple: to comply with the naming conventions for geographic names, which currently state that "[w]ithin articles, places should generally be referred to by the same name as is used in their article title". That is also the spirit behind the Manual of Style's general principle of internal consistency.

In other words, the name used in the article on the city (currently, "Pristina") should be used consistently across Wikipedia. - Best, Ev (talk) 17:35, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Iliria

Ju lutem na ndihmoni me shtimin e nje materiali qe mund te ndihmoje ne njohjen e shqiptareve si pasardhes te ilirive ketu:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Illyria#Illyria_and_Illyrians_origin

Faleminderit,

--Jurgenalbanian (talk) 14:21, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Albanian articles threatened with deletion

Hi, I note your involvement in Albanian articles. Please see below link. Eldumpo (talk) 07:37, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Albanian players up for deletion

Changes

I made some changes on Template:Northern Epirus, and I have left a reply on the talkpage of the template. Please check it. If you consider any changes on it, don't implement them at the moment, as there is an ongoing discussion on the deletion of the template. --Alarichus (talk) 15:14, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I noticed the changes and I read your comments on the talk page. I still consider the template a clear-cut violation of the NPOV. In order to avoid violating the latter, Wikipedia should comply with official historical documents, rather than personal opinions or biased "facts" from users whose credentials are unlisted and, as such, bogus. --_{A B X}^{T • ៛} 02:24, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

Hello ABXDataLogic! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 1 of the articles that you created is an Unreferenced Biography of a Living Person. Please note that all biographies of living persons must be sourced. If you were to add reliable, secondary sources to this article, it would greatly help us with the current 674 article backlog. Once the article is adequately referenced, please remove the {{unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the article:

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Albania TF

Hi. I deleted your name from Wikipedia:WikiProject Europe/Albania/Participants, because it's now in Wikipedia:WikiProject Albania/Members. The former will eventually redirect to the latter. You don't need to do anything, I'm just informing you of this change. Thank you for the fantastic contributions that you have given to the Albanian related topics, see you around. Mirupafshim. --Sulmues _talk 14:40, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar to make you come back

	The Albanian Barnstar of National Merit
	For the dedication in the Albania related pages. It's on examples such as yourself that I base my contributions in Wikipedia every day.Sulmues ^(talk) 02:58, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
	_{this WikiAward was given to ABXDataLogic by Sulmues ^(talk) on 02:58, 10 September 2010 (UTC)}

check out my new template

Hi, I wanted to show you my new template for unbalanced Kosovo articles. Template:POV:KS please read also my list of issues, User_talk:Mdupont#Naming_and_status_of_Kosovo_pages I welcome your feedback mike James Michael DuPont (talk) 19:06, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject United States

Hello, ABXDataLogic/ABX-2012-05-24! WikiProject United States, an outreach effort supporting development of United States related articles in Wikipedia, has recently been restarted after a long period of inactivity. As a user who has shown an interest in United States related topics we wanted to invite you to join us in developing content relating to the United States. If you are interested please add your Username and area of interest to the members page here. Thank you!!!

--Kumioko (talk) 02:16, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Aleksandër Moisiu University

Can you please replace in this wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksander_Moisiu_University the name of the university. Aleksander but Aleksandër with albanian ë. Thank You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irvi Hyka (talk • contribs) 21:50, 2 September 2011 (UTC)