Template talk:Unicode chart Buginese

U+1A19: BUGINESE VOWEL SIGN E

Should this vowel use visual or logical order? @Verdy p: recently changed the Unicode chart to show U+1A19 in visual order (prepending it). This reverses the author's own edit back in July, 2011 to be in logical order, made with the comment "There's NO visual-order exception defined in Unicode for this preposed vowel U+1A19 (unlike preposed vowels only in the Thai, Lao and Tai Viet scripts)". Has this changed? DRMcCreedy (talk)

Logical order, nothing's changed. If the vowel sign renders on the wrong side of the dotted circle it's a problem with the font being used, and we should not hack the code charts to get the vowel sign in the right place (which may break fonts that handle the character correctly). BabelStone (talk) 19:14, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No this is NOT a problem of fonts, but of renderers (i.e. browsers): most of them still don't include the OpenTyperule to reorder the vowel before the base letter (or base symbol when it is for example a dotted circle, such as in the chart: even new browsers, in fact all of them forget this needed additional rule; currently absolutely no renderers are conforming except the newest ones but only when the base character is a Buginese consonant: all these implementations are stilldefective and still not Unicode compliant).

For this reason I maintain the code in the chart for correct display of the isolated diacritic before the dotted circle symbol).

This chart is not really plain text in Buginese, it does not have to use the logical order simply because it is only intended to show the isolated diacritic (the dotted circle is a standard notation for the placeholder). This is in fact the only existing solution, and in fact it is the standard way to show isolated diacritics correctly. verdy_p (talk) 17:30, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]