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Divisional titles.

What makes these titles divisional? The Knockout tag and knockout champs are not more or less divisional than any other tna title.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 09:25, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They are women's titles so they are divisional, if anyone and everyone could win them they wouldn't be Divisional. Afro ^{[[User talk:Afkatk|Talkie Talk - Afkatk} 12:55, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since anyone can win them they seem to not be divisional. Though he didn't win it Cody Deaner did get a chance at the Knockout title. What was the last title a woman has won out of the knock outs division? Labeling the women titles divisional and no other titles divisional is a bit subjective don't you think?Serialjoepsycho (talk) 20:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No.--WillC 21:15, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No women fought for the current Tag titles or the current Heavyweight Title. How many fought for the NWA titles that were replaced by the new titles? How many women fought for any of the mens titles and which ones? I'm sorry but from the response I'm reading is that The KO titles are divisional because everyone can't win them. The world heavyweight champ is divisional as is the legends champ. Two sets of belts have allowed diversity: Cody Deaner fought ODB for the title at no surrender And Awesome Kong was in the dueces wild tournament back in 08 for the tag titles partnered with BG James. What makes the women's titles more divisional than the other titles?Serialjoepsycho (talk) 00:55, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well where do you want to place them? They aren't secondary because TNA have listed them both as the lowest ranked titles on their web site. Plus only one man has ever fought for the knockouts title, while Kong fought for the TNA world tag titles. Their section could be renamed female, because Deaner went after it once, and they showed that it was a female title only with that feud, but never won it. So the title is still a women's title.--WillC 03:26, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Even if it was renamed Women's Title it'd still be Divisional titles, we wont get men competing for the titles on a regular basis plus it's not our fault what the bookers decide to do with it as it was originally intended for women to compete for it and correct me if I'm wrong but men wont be competing for the title on a regular month to month basis. Afro ^{[[User talk:Afkatk|Talkie Talk - Afkatk} 10:23, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Kong went for the the tag titles once and didn't win them with her partner. Deaner went for the the womens title once and didn't win. Make no mistakes people because I'm not saying the womens titles are not divisional. They are the de facto womens division titles. But all of the titles fought for by men are no less divisional. They are the de facto mens division titles. Correct me if I'm wrong but Women haven't been wrestling for any of those titles on a regular month to month basis have they? Is there an argument made here that can't be reversed and look at from the opposite angle? Where on Tna's website do they have the belts ranked? I hope you aren't talking about the Pictures on TNA's website. They could be considered rankings of the TNA mens titles first to last and the TNA womens titles first to last but they don't say anything. The top man holds the heavyweight title. The top woman holds the Knockout tile. The top male tag team holds the tag titles. The top womens tag team holds the Knockout title. The X Division is considered a division by tna. Tag teams titles are fought in a division. Though the Tag team division is more of a Visually separate division from the Heavyweight division than the X division is at the moment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Serialjoepsycho (talk • contribs) 12:34, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have one simple thing to ask of any person here: name one title in TNA That can't be considered divisional. I think the Knockout tag titles deserve a spot by the other tag team titles as they meet the simple criteria needed. I think divisional part needs to be renamed unless of course anyone can find one reason that any other title isn't divisional by the same criteria that makes the knock out title divisional. And thanks for a good conversation. :) Serialjoepsycho (talk) 05:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty much the World Heavyweight, X-Division, Legends (Global) and the World Tag Team are considered to allow anyone to compete for them , the Womens Titles are Divisional by Tradition, though with the World, X-Div, Global and World Tag Team men do compete for them in a Traditional manner they are intended to be open for anyone to compete for, and the Cody Deaner title match can just be considered a special circumstance title match. Afro ^{[[User talk:Afkatk|Talkie Talk - Afkatk} 23:02, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One tradition doesn't outweigh another. Traditionally and by regulation often cited on TNA women don't fight for TNA World, tag, or global. The same "special exception" that let Deaner fight for the womens title can be said for when women fight for the mens titles. No title in TNA can be considered anything but Divisional by the definition offered. Perhaps the wrong question ealier when I asked,"What makes these titles divisional?" Perhaps I should have said,"Since all the titles can be called divisional why do you only choose to point out that the women's titles are divisional?" Serialjoepsycho (talk) 02:51, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because its as plain and simple as this; Women's titles are intended to be contested solely by a promotion's women's division. Although there are special circumstances due to storyline purposes in which male performers also compete for women's titles, they are rare. As long as the promotion continues to maintain in the long run that these specific titles are intended to be competed for by a women's division, then the titles remain divisional titles. The X Division title, despite the name, is not intended to be exclusive to a certain weight or gender division. As explained in the X Division article, the term refers to a style. The term "World Heavyweight Championship" in professional wrestling in general is used by North American promotions to refer to their top title. Despite the title not being exclusive to a heavyweight-class promotions in North America continue to use the term based on tradition. ^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 03:11, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally you argue that "Traditionally and by regulation often cited on TNA women don't fight for TNA World, tag, or global" .... you have yet to provide an official source that supports that claim. Until you do, unfortunately, your argument is baseless. Take this from a thrid party's point of view.^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 03:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Colors

Since the colors were JUST reverted, I started this debate about them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#Wrestling_companies_template_boxes_colors.3F

Feel free the join. Srsrox (talk) 17:27, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]