Template talk:Sin bin

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Is this template really that necessary? Unless extenuating circumstances prevent a player from returning to the field for an extra minute, all sin-binnings in rugby union last for 10 minutes, making the second parameter in this template pointless; and without that second parameter, this template is exactly the same as {{yel}}. I propose that all instances of {{sin bin}} are replaced with {{yel}} and that {{sin bin}} be deleted. – Pee Jay 09:55, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In rugby league, which introduced sin bins before rugby union, they used 5 minute suspensions in the past. LunarLander // talk // 21:15, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That may be, but surely the length of the temporary suspension should be taken from context? People don't need to be told what the duration of the suspension is, and players do not always return to the field exactly in the minute they should. Depending on the referee and the circumstances of the game at the time, a player may have to remain off the field for anywhere from one to three minutes longer than they were supposed to, and when that happens, how is anyone supposed to know that it has happened unless they actually watched the game? As things are, we seem to be assuming that all sin-binnings last exactly as long as they are supposed to, which goes down as unsourced material in my book. Because of this, unless the time of a player's return to action can be sourced, the second parameter in this template is a violation of Wikipedia policy, and since this template is exactly the same as {{yel}} when the second parameter is taken away, there doesn't seem to be any need for this template to exist. – Pee Jay 22:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An good point about situations when the return time may not be known; I was just about to agree with it but then thought that those delays are for other reasons. A temporary suspension in either code at the moment is for 10 minutes according to the rules of those games. If there is a further delay that delay is for another reason and is not part of the player's punishment. LunarLander // talk // 22:51, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What about simply taking the sin-bin duration from context then? If people know what the yellow card symbol signifies, then they will most likely know the typical duration of a sin-binning in the sport the article they are reading relates to. That would make the second parameter redundant anyway. – Pee Jay 23:37, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That option is available by not filling in the other parameters. To enforce a reduction in the amount of information provided would need a wider consensus than two people - even if I supported it. The general direction of articles on sport seems to be going the other way, times of goals and tries are increasingly included; having times included on the sin bin template adds value to these pieces of information as well. LunarLander // talk // 00:36, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The term 'penalty box'

This is used as alt text for the yellow card in this template. Rugby league and rugby union do not use a 'penalty box' so I believe this to be inappropriate. In the rules of both of these two sports, the sin bin is referred to as a 'temporary suspension' and so I have changed the alt text to reflect that. If there are any issues please reply here. LunarLander // talk // 21:15, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Three per player?

Is it possible in rugby league for a player to be sin-binned three times and still not be sent off? I'm fairly sure the limit is one sin-binning in rugby union before a player is permanently removed from the game, but I don't know about league. – Pee Jay 22:46, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know there is no limit in rugby league. I've seen two in a game for a single player. LunarLander // talk // 22:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sin-binnings to end of game

Would it be possible to add a parameter to this template so that the apostrophe doesn't appear when the sin-binning lasts to the end of the game? If you see the sin-binnings of CJ Stander and Ellis Genge (both against Wales) in the 2020 Six Nations Championship article, they say the sin-binnings end at "end'", which looks ridiculous. Is there a better way of doing this? – Pee Jay 11:22, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]