Template talk:S-vac

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New title parameter

Protected, I see... I suppose it had only been a matter of time. In any case, after reviewing several peerage succession chains (especially old ones), I see that a "Forfeit" header replacement parameter would be particularly useful, alongside the others (many of which will probably be much less used). There are many titles that are forfeited but are later restored to an heir of the peer that lost them.

In short: please add the following line to the template's code...

|forfeit='''Forfeit'''

From my point of view, it will be possible to use this alternative cell title at both ends of such vacancies; that is, both for the peer whose title was forfeited and for the peer to whom it was restored. Waltham, The Duke of 16:56, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Please update the documentation to match the change to the template. --ais523 09:44, 3 December 2007 (U T C)

This I have done. Thank you! Waltham, The Duke of 16:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bug

There is a bug when using the last parameter for a vacancy in the left column:

{{s-start}}
{{s-off}}
{{s-vac|last=Mr. Last}} 
{{s-ttl|title=Title|years=present}}
{{s-vac|next=Mr. Next}}
{{end}}

Political offices			Vacant Title last held by Mr. Last	Title present	Vacant Title next held by Mr. Next

Looking at the code, it starts with a | which means the preceding code for {{s-off}} is the first column in a table row. You can work around this by adding a |- between {{s-off}} and {{s-vac}}.

{{s-start}}
{{s-off}}
|-<!---This line is a workaround for a bug in template s-vac--->
{{s-vac|last=Mr. Last}} 
{{s-ttl|title=Title|years=present}}
{{s-vac|next=Mr. Next}}
{{end}}

Political offices
Vacant Title last held by Mr. Last	Title present	Vacant Title next held by Mr. Next

--— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 19:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is known, and noted. Perhaps it is not described as well as it could be in the template's page, but the work-around is described in more detail in the general documentation page. The question is one: "can it be fixed?" Waltham, The Duke of 16:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is this still an issue? If so, couldn't it be solved by adding a |- to the end of the relevant portion either s-off or the beginning the relevant portion of s-vac? --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 01:32, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely still an issue. Just it it in another article. I'll make the edit now. Circeus (talk) 02:52, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The problem was that while the requirement of a pipe+dash is accounted at s-start, nobody thought to add it here, where it should be shown very prominently. Circeus (talk) 02:59, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

rows

{{editprotected}} Please change:

rowspan="{{{rows}}}"

to

rowspan="{{{rows|1}}}"

as the typical omission of this is resulting in the invalid code

rowspan="{{{rows}}}"

being generated for visitors in the output page.

G'day, Jack Merridew 13:17, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense to me. Give it til Monday (it is a holiday weekend) for more comments. --Gadget850 (talk) 13:47, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

it's been like this for, what, years? a few days will be fine ;) G'day, Jack Merridew 14:06, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --- RockMFR 20:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

extinct as a header replacement

Please add "extinct" as an optional header replacement. Thanks Greenshed (talk) 21:59, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done & documented. Cabayi (talk) 08:37, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Self-disclaimed titles without formal recognition

Can you possibly create a new value for "self-disclaimed" please (especially one for Jonathon Porritt and his B[arone]t[cy] automatically inherited from his father), thank you! -- 87.102.116.36 (talk) 06:43, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@87.102.116.36:, you raise an interesting point. I'm not sure "self-disclaimed" Baronetcies are a "thing". Peerages can be disclaimed under the Peerage Act 1963, but Baronetcies have never been an impediment to sitting in the House of Commons so I'm pretty sure that there's never been any reason, or means, to disclaim them. The Baronet concerned either uses it, or they don't and, beyond their personal preference, it doesn't matter all that much.

I have come across the situation once before, with an article I created for John Halsey (priest), (Sir John Walter Brooke Halsey, 4th Baronet) of the Halsey baronets. I'm pretty sure the article (before it got deleted) just noted that he doesn't use the title.

Also, while he's generally just referred to as Jonathon Porritt, I'm not seeing any evidence that he's actively disclaiming the title in any significant way. He's still listed on the official list without the (Sir) option which would show he's not using it. Do you have any sources for Porritt disclaiming his Baronetcy? Cabayi (talk) 14:34, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Predecessor/successor when no parliament is summoned

I'm trying to modify a succession box to the article on George Montagu (died 1681). He held the seat of Huntington from 1640 to 1648. From 1629 to 1640, no Parliament was summoned, so there were no immediate predecessors. I'd like the succession box to have this info:

Vacant

No Parliaments summoned

Seats last held by

Robert Bernhard

William Montagu

What appears is "Title last held by", which I guess isn't appropriate as MP is not a title. It would be good if this could be modified, e.g. to "Position" or "Seat/Seats".

It would also be great if we had more then one "last" parameter, similar to before2, with2, and after2.

I'm aware that the modification I'm trying to do means that I have to replace {{succession box}} with {{s-ttl}} etc.

Thanks.

HandsomeFella (talk) 11:49, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]