Template talk:NYC streetcar transit

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Looking through Category:Rail transport navigational boxes of the United States, the vast majority do not have all words capitalized in their title lines. "Greater New York Streetcar Transit" looks like the proper name of a company because "streetcar" and "transit" are not proper nouns. "Greater New York streetcar transit" has been consensus for the life of the template; NightWriter77 changed it as part of a series of large changes made without seeking consensus. "Streetcar transit in Greater New York" might be a better title to consider as well. @DanTD, Oknazevad, and Vcohen: thoughts? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:36, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I am not an English speaker, but I hate capital letters in titles, so I support you. Vcohen (talk) 20:21, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

For the record, I got the title from "Greater New York region bus transit." ---------User:DanTD (talk) 20:32, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

In the meantime, check Nightwriter's version of the List of streetcar lines in Westchester County, New York. Now check my sandbox version, which I started before his version was written, and got stumped upon with the details. As you can see, there are a lot of details on my version that are missing, but I can't seem to find. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 20:59, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Capital letters should be used for titles. I don't think anyone would confuse "Greater New York Streetcar Transit" as the name of a company. If it were the name of a company, the whole title would be linked to an article about that company. Either way, I will agree to the consensus.--NightWriter77 (talk) 13:40, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Could it be the "Greater New York" designation is much too broad for this category? There were dozens of transit operators in New York City alone, to include the outer reaches of New Jersey and New York seems a bit overwhelming to this category, especially when you add lists of bus garages and proposed projects. Is there some better way to streamline this navbox? --NightWriter77 (talk) 13:47, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

See here: "The initial letter of a title is capitalized (except in rare cases, such as eBay), but otherwise, capital letters are used only where they would be used in a normal sentence (Funding of UNESCO projects, not Funding of UNESCO Projects)." Vcohen (talk) 14:32, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

The thing about the bus garages, is that a lot of them used to be streetcar depots. As for the "outer reaches of New York," New Jersey and Connecticut are part of the New York Tri-State area, but we should limit them to northern New Jersey, and Fairfield and New Haven Counties in Connecticut. Additionally, the streetcar companies in Westchester County included those that were expanded from NYC and Connecticut, and some on Long Island included those owned by the LIRR, IRT, and BMT that expanded from Queens and Brooklyn. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 15:48, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

I misspoke, I meant outer reaches of Connecticut, Bridgeport and Waterbury in specific. I disagree about the listing of bus garages, but no matter, I'll go along with whatever is decided.--NightWriter77 (talk) 19:24, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Bus garages as ex-Trolley depots

I just found some evidence of the status of one bus garage as a former trolley car barn. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 14:39, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

This is an old picture of the Kingsbridge Bus Depot, which includes an inscription for the Third Avenue Railway.

Fifth Avenue companies

I'm starting to think we should remove Fifth Avenue Transportation Company and Fifth Avenue Coach Company from this template. I could make up for the space by adding something like the Eighty-Sixth Street Railroad Company, or something like that. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 15:13, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Adding Pennsylvania streetcar transit

I think that the Pennsylvania counties in the New York metropolitan area, including Pike County, Pennsylvania (also part of the DMA) and Monroe County, Pennsylvania, should be included in the template. These counties aren't currently included, however they are part of the MSA/CSA. This definition, as defined by the Office of Management and Budget, is used in the New York metropolitan area article, as well as other templates about the metropolitan area. This template should stay consistent, and also use that same definition. 2018rebel 13:43, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

It's too far out. Frankly, this box has become too bloated as it is. It's supposed to be about New York City, no far flung suburban and exurban areas that may or may not be part of the metro area. Not only do I think the Pennsylvania material shouldn't be added, I think the box should be purged of every operator that didn't operate in the five boroughs. Oh, and modern light rail is not streetcars; they're different modes and shouldn't be here either. oknazevad (talk) 02:03, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

I 100% agree with Oknazevad. This should be trimmed to NYC-only, or perhaps within a ~20 mile radius. There's an argument for including lines in the densely settled area, particularly Newark, but Pennsylvania and Connecticut are way too far. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:35, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

I think that the navbox should be split then. Possible into two navboxes titled "Light rail and streetcar transit in the New York metropolitan area" and "Light rail and streetcar transit in New York City", like this:

2018rebel 05:32, 12 May 2021 (UTC)