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I have full-protected this page for 1 week due to edit warring that concerns a content dispute. ~Amatulić (talk) 11:43, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Amatulic: can you please include the pp-protected template into a <noinclude></noinclude>? The pages here will eventually appear at Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates. Thanks. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 20:58, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Sorry about that oversight. ~Amatulić (talk) 23:35, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This page has been semi-protected for 2 weeks due to disruption by anonymous IP addresses that make substantive changes to this template without any evidence of consensus or discussion. ~Amatulić (talk) 16:52, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

👍 nice 2409:4050:2DCE:878E:0:0:4B88:500C (talk) 14:13, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 April 2016

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14.139.206.206 (talk) 11:29, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Admin,

Please remove one picture from gar hira picture of MOHAMMED SAL LALAH HO ALAY HE WA SALLAM AND GIBRAIL ALAYHE WA SALLAM.

Regards Md Nadeem Hussain

Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the template {{Muhammad timeline in Mecca}}. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. — JJMC89 (T·C) 15:30, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2016

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His date of birth IS 12 rabi ul awal not 17 182.179.140.33 (talk) 11:18, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done Sunni Muslims believe the date of birth of Muhammad to have been on the twelfth of this month, whereas Shi'a Muslims believe him to have been born on the dawn of the seventeenth day. regards, DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 13:25, 17 December 2016 (UTC).[reply]

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Everyone agrees Muhammad was born on a Monday - this was entered in the template with copious references but AstroLynx changed it back.@DRAGON BOOSTER: please provide references for your claim that some say he was born on the 17th. The Battle of Badr was AH 2 and Uhud AH 3. AstroLynx has increased the time between the two events from one year to two. Awaiting responses before restoring my changes. 86.131.233.223 (talk) 14:57, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Although you cite four sources for the birth date of Muhammad only one (nr. 1) gives a specific Western date. However, the date actually given in your source, 8 June 570, was not a Monday. You have silently amended this to 2 June, which was indeed a Monday, but this is considered by WP as "original research", i.e. not backed by a reliable source. I have not looked in detail at your other suggested corrections but will do so later this week. AstroLynx (talk) 15:26, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not only do the sources say he was born on a Monday, they say he was born on the 12th. That date can be verified astronomically - 2 June AD 570. This is a Julian date - the source does not say which calendar was used, but the Gregorian was a few days ahead at that time. 86.131.233.223 (talk) 15:51, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Have you noticed that one of your sources, Haykal, only mentions August as Muhammad's birth month? --HyperGaruda (talk) 21:28, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No-one questions the tradition that Muhammad was born on a Monday. But there is certainly no consensus on the month or the day in the month in the calendar of Mecca. You may argue that 2 June 570 was a Monday and the 12th of a lunar month but this is all based on "original research" which is not allowed on WP. If you can point out a properly referenced publication mentioning your date of 2 June 570 we can perhaps move on. AstroLynx (talk) 07:08, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

All those sources mention that the consensus view is that Muhammad was born on Monday, 12 Rabi 'al-Awwal. Indeed, the one you link to says "Unlikely, indeed in error, is the view of those who say he was born on Friday, the 17th day, the month of Rabi 'al-Awwal". It goes on to say that the birth occurred 55 days after the midpoint of Muharram, which is 12 Rabi'I. The source which mentions August as an outlier uses these words: "The majority, however, agree that Muhammad was born on the twelfth of Rabi al-Awwal, the claim of Ibn Ishaq and other biographers". As regards the "silent conversion" to 2 June, it's policy that we express dates prior to 1582 in the Julian calendar, and it's therefore unnecessary to mention this. 86.131.233.223 (talk) 15:08, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is indeed good policy to use Julian calendar dates before 1582 but where does your source state that it is not using the Julian calendar? Which calendar do you think your source is using? It cannot be the Gregorian calendar as the offset between both calendars in the 6th century is only two days, not six days. AstroLynx (talk) 07:04, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't follow your logic. I agree that the proleptic Gregorian calendar was two days ahead of the Julian in the sixth century, but why would that fact preclude the writer from using it? 86.131.233.223 (talk) 09:50, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So, if I understand you correctly, you claim that your source uses the proleptic Gregorian calendar? Do you have any proof for this claim? 8 June 570 in the proleptic Gregorian calendar was a Friday, not a Monday – surely you must be aware of this fact. AstroLynx (talk) 12:06, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Are any claims being made apart from your claim that the writer could not have used the proleptic Gregorian calendar because it was two days ahead of the Julian at the time? I note that you were asked to provide the basis for that claim but you still have not done so. 2.29.29.213 (talk) 19:36, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Add content

Add that in 630 Muhammad and 10,000 Muslims returned to Mecca and forced the city to surrender ChickenNuggets2.0 (talk) 23:33, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2019

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IT should be ul-muttalib when they talk abot abu talib 204.83.217.120 (talk) 23:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 23:45, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A mistake in the description of grandfather

Prophets grandfather death is written in all authentic books around 577AD while this article says he took the Prophet to Syria in 582. How is it possible? Actually it was his uncle Abu Talib to take him to Syria not grandfather. See "the sealed nectar" topic "in the supervision of his grandfather Syed Bilal Bin Tahir Al Hashmi (talk) 13:37, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2019

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632 Farewell pilgrimage, event of Ghadir Khumm (THIS IS A SHIA INTERPRETATION, PLEASE MENTION IT), and death, in what is now Saudi Arabia 87.55.3.204 (talk) 14:39, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make exactly; please make a precise request. In addition, any changes along these lines should probably be discussed first to gain consensus. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 16:41, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2020

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Hello! Please remove the 7 images that depict Muhammad SAW in form. This is something that is prohibited in Islam (depicting God and previous messengers in images, among other individuals). Thank you so much!

Hamza Taj Student 2601:402:4500:E41:A4FD:1961:90B2:4CC0 (talk) 00:57, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Unfortunately, Wikipedia does not follow religious rules because it is an encyclopedia. If the people who own Wikipedia were of Islamic faith, this change would likely be accepted Tommy has a great username (talk) 01:03, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

bnm,.¿  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:641:300:4C90:10C4:4232:1B0A:2EF9 (talk) 15:45, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

About Huzoor S.A.W bith date is 12 Rabi-ul-awaal

Please mention the date of birth of Hazrat Muhammad S.A.W is 12 Rabi-ul-awaal And his death date is also 12 Rabi-ul-awal. 223.180.199.245 (talk) 10:39, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Conquest of Khyber in 628 A.D

The Khyber Conquest is missing which is an important battle in Islamic hisotry. Shahzad Ahmed Bangulzai (talk) 19:56, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]