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MED Navboxes format

This section is only about the general formatting and layout (structure) of the Medicine navigation boxes. Any content or merge issue is discussed elsewhere on this page.

There are ~625 navigation boxes in MEDicine. They are listed in:

Recent Changes in those 625 navboxes:

Sandboxes in use
Navbox groups

Other issues

  • All templates really should have a {{documentation}} page. At least to get an organised set. Of course this does not fit with the (bad) habit to led readers directly into tempalte space (wher they do not exopect wiki-documentation). -DePiep (talk) 00:02, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
  • This talkpage: One sublevel 2 (==) for Navboxes, then below use level 3 (===) and 4. -DePiep (talk) 00:31, 11 January 2015 (UTC) Green tickY Done. -DePiep (talk) 14:50, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
  • The content uses "/" (slash) as a list separator: "Developmental dyslexia/Alexia". When I "see this, I cannot grasp what it is supposed to mean: "and"? "or"? "synonym" (forget about this word 'synonym'; DePiep)? I propose strongly very strongly to replace that with " and " (or could it mean "or"? -- see, that's the issue). Makes the meaning clear and makes more pleasant reading. -DePiep (talk) 08:59, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
No. We should not provide synonyms anywhere except in the actual article. It is extremely confusing to have multiple synonyms presented, and can quickly blow out an easy-to-read list of 3-4 items to a difficult to parse list of 8+. Same goes for abbreviations. We should not be using abbreviations unless they are extremely common, and we should certainly not be using both. That's what article space is for. --Tom (LT) (talk) 05:01, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Misunderstanding. I propose to replace a slash, turn / into and, or. (Now I thought the slash could sometimes mean A/B = A or its synonym B? ... Better we forget this distraction). -DePiep (talk) 09:37, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  • In the 36 navs we wrote the bracketed lists (those in ** level) in lowercase. Apply everywhere in this? (ecxcept : abbr like AIDS, eponymous titles I guess). -DePiep (talk) 08:59, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good, but I can't promise to invest my time enforcing this particular rule. --Tom (LT) (talk) 05:01, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Responded above. --Tom (LT) (talk) 05:01, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Red XN we don't do this. -DePiep (talk) 09:37, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Background colours

To be removed per consensus

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Should med navboxes have unique colours? I think it's time we got this discussion going.

There are pros and cons of having colours:

Pros
  • Provides some organisation for those who know what's going on
  • Differentiates navbox contents from embedded navboxes
  • Some logical structure (arteries are red, veins blue, ...)
Cons
  • WP:COLORS accessibility states that key colors should be accompanied with another form of that information. At the moment, there is no legend or explanation present.
  • Gives a messy appearance when multiple colours are used (eg 1, 2)
  • Makes maintenance difficult for new templates
  • Gives a complicated structure for other topics (?lymph ?bones ?microanatomy etc.)
  • Has a widely varying display depending on device
  • In my experience, some colours are dark enough to interfere with the appearance of text (patricularly the dark red)
  • Accessibility. There is the possibility that darker colours may interfere with the ability of visually-impaired users to read the text.

So my question is: should we just remove the colours and use default navbox colouring, or alternatively stick with a single colour per navbox? --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:55, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Discussion

  • Remove them. Back to basic navbox colors.
First and foremost, their meaning is not explained anywhere. There is no key provided. The effect is that it only looks like a badly-executed festive illustration. Since I can not see what it means, it is useless and bad WP:ACCESS even: Do not use colors to solely mean anything.
Also note that original navbox colors, come in two teintes of lightness: first and second indent (the 2nd, or child rowheader, a lighter shade of blue). This helps recognising the structure (subdivisions). The standard navbox colors are great use to convey navigation topics. Hard to improve.
More as a detail: The med colors used are not designed well as a set of bg colors. Even white is used. They don't make a palette. (This could be improved of course, but then the issue of dozens of colors to be distinguishable pops up. A number of 12 already is a headache to document in page, see here).
If such a set identification is needed (adding the supra-navbox overview), this can be done by an image. Thinking about a human body with the topic marked red.
I note that with the 36 MEDnav template subboxes, Tom(LT) advocated to remove the supra-overview completely. I do not advocate that. Maybe the |below= line could be used for this.
-DePiep (talk) 23:30, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply! You make some good points about why they should be removed. I've added accessibility to the items above. You also imply a very reasonable point here ("This could be improved of course...")... if we are considering changing colours (instead of removing them), we are going to have to go through a very effort-intensive process, including of selecting colours, when as you point out there is a well thought-out selection already available. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:40, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Redesigning these colors is theoretical. Forget it. -DePiep (talk) 00:07, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Also am not too sure what you mean with removing the subboxes... could leave a talk page comment or comment in the thread you're referring to? --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:40, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Remove (delete) sub navs? No. Put them in |list99=. Created demo {{Symptoms involving head and neck/sandbox}}. -DePiep (talk) 00:07, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
OK, I see what you have done. Delete the subboxes?? Certainly not! Where did I give that impression? --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:01, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
That complete suggestion was introduced by you above [1]. Never mention never mind any more. -DePiep (talk) 22:32, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I can see how you'd get that impression. I meant "remove colours" not "remove infoboxes" when I stated "remove them" --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:23, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
The issue with bad accesability is not the contrast: that is good (lighter bg's=OK, even the silvery grey header is OK; this is by contrast calculation I did off-wiki). The access problem is: WP:COLOR: Ensure that color is not the only method used to convey important information. (first bullet). So if it is not explained in a footnote or by symbol/text, the reader can not understand it. This is a major contra. -DePiep (talk) 20:46, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
A very good point, especially if multiple colours are used. But then users won't understand why the current boxes are blue either. --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:01, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
No time for this game. -DePiep (talk) 22:29, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
The blue has no meaning. Nothing to be told. It is supportive, just like a border line is, or the wikiglobe. The blue differences do have a reason (still not a meaning), about sub-leveling. And that too should be clear in itself or the reader does not recognise it - and no info is lost. As access requires. -DePiep (talk) 08:17, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Can we just use default colours? The grey in particular looks very uninviting. --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:01, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Is what I'd propose, but we better decide it explicitly here. That's navbox title default then. -DePiep (talk) 22:18, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
I would support this. DePiep, do you think there's the possibility of an automated tool like AWB (although I've never used the thing) that could strip the colours automatically? Removing the colours seems like probably the most effort-intensive task we have to do --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:30, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes can be done by AWB (+REGEX so a bit smart). But first that must be a very stable decision. Try and preview some dozens of MEDnavs to check the effect beforehand. But once decided, we don't need to wait for other discussions to finish here (because: the color is sooo bad that one might do it sort of right away). So: formalise the proposal, check effects self-critically, and ttry to reach an undisputable decision. Question: will neighboring projects (like WP:ANAT) disturb this, maybe by having colors so we mix up styles? -DePiep (talk) 22:59, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Yep, I think there is agreement here (we can wait a few more days to see if any other users chip in too). AND I have just found some evidence of 'non-coloured' templates: {{Endocrine system anatomy}} and {{Epithelium and epithelial tissue}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:16, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
They are not "non-colored", they are colored "white" as that is one of those key colors in the set. This white should be removed for the same reason. Any WP:ANAT overlap in sight? -DePiep (talk) 10:21, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

I think a lot of colours add more messiness than providing organisation. PizzaMan (♨♨) 16:48, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

  • We need a complete list of MED templates that use colors. So far, we have a. templates that use one of 36 MED navs, and those that are mentioned in the 36 MED navs (~625 tempaltes). Missing: true Medicine navigation templates that do not relate to a MED navs at all. Any idea how to find those? -DePiep (talk) 10:30, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
I am not sure how we are going to find such a list, but almost all templates use them in my experience. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:23, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Category:Template-Class medicine articles lists 860 templates. Cross-checking with the other lists (A, B) above would produce an interesting diff ("MED templates not in list A AND not in list B"). I cannot do now. -DePiep (talk) 10:15, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
OK I just wish to state after having a rummage around through Anatomy templates, colours must go. It is extremely confusing to organise them like this. In addition the white titles make the navbox titles harder to read and lead to complete mess. And it is also nonsensical as we just make things in each template a different colour, regardless of the item. Confusing and unnecessary. --Tom (LT) (talk) 05:00, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
I still don't get why WP:ANAT is popping up every time. These are WP:MED templates rigt? Waht templates are under WP:ANAT that we do not see in WP:MED? (issue foreseen: if we rm color from MED nav templates consistently & correctly, there will be ANAT nav templates we do not see. --23:20, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
I mostly edit anatomy articles, hence I am most familiar with them. I just wanted to emphatically state having now had a look and edited most of the templates, removing colours is an excellent choice on many levels as we have already discussed. Nothing new. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:34, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but how can I find them all? There is an over lap with MEdicine temapltes, right? They do use the 35 MEDnavs index boxes right? -DePiep (talk) 09:20, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
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To be simlified, and domain removed per consensus

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Before we begin editing the titles... is there a general feeling that we can/should simplify navbox titles? I refer to eg: {{Muscles of neck}}

Muscles of head and neck: the neck

can --> "Muscles of the neck"

{{Nervous tissue}}

Histology: nervous tissue

{{Digestive tract}}

Anatomy of torso, digestive system: Gastrointestinal tract, excluding mouth

I think in general we can stick to these principles:

  • Removing the 'domain' part of the heading ("Histology:" or "Anatomy:")
  • Removing "excluding" unless absolutely necessary, and instead putting that on the /doc page

Thoughts? --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:04, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Discussion

In this discussion I refer just to the descriptive part of the title, NOT any identifiers (there is a separate thread for that below).

Pagename: Template:Symptoms involving head and neck
Navbox title: Symptoms and signs: Speech and voice / Symptoms involving head and neck
Wrong. -DePiep (talk) 00:22, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Sequence: First get the titles right. When that's stable, they can Move (when for this reason; other Moves can go earlier). -DePiep (talk) 08:54, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

I definitely agree with removing the domain. As for the excluding... part, i think we generally need more delineation of navbox titles, so we should be careful imho. PizzaMan (♨♨) 16:53, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, this is one significant reason users have added amendments over time -- for technical accuracy. Further example is {{Foramina of skull}} ("Foramina of the skull (and canals, fissures, meatus, and hiatus)"). I think like our changes to the embedded navboxes, we should consider simplifying many of these headings and retaining the specifiers on the template's doc page rather than the templates themselves. Including "exclude" treats the information with equal prominence, but the intended meaning is "Gastrointestinal tract* *excluding oral cavity" --Tom (LT) (talk) 20:39, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Will most editors see this information before making an edit? Are there other places we could/should clarify the scope? These are not retoric questions, i'm still very new to the topic of navboxes. If we can make the scope sufficiently clear to any random (lazy) editor, then i agree on doing as we did with the index templates: simplicity and lay friendliness wherever possible. PizzaMan (♨♨) 21:50, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
That's the way, PizzaMan. It's not so much that you are "new" to navboxes, but all the MEDnavs are looking really very bad. They require studying. Better trust your own judgement: simplify, correct facts, don't let details ruin the big picture. -DePiep (talk) 22:38, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
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Repositioning identifiers in the navbox

  • Proposal: move both TA and GA into navbox data. This data indeed is not needed in the navbox header. (it is not the topic of the navbox; it is a fact related to that topic). This same can be said about the TA fact, now in the header. I propose to move both TA and GA from the header into the navbox (crude demo: this sandbox). Note that it makes much nicer reading of the navbox title. -DePiep (talk) 13:24, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Sandboxes

Discussion

That's a good idea DePiep, and I'd support moving TA (I personally do not think it is helpful to end users to have it displayed like this). I don't think it is worthwhile storing the Gray's data. That's because TA refers to Terminologia Anatomica, which is an international standard for anatomical terminology and the selection of terms that we use (eg Circle of Willis or arterial circle of brain, etc.). On the other hand, Gray's is just a book and, whilst influential in the field, we shouldn't base our classification system around it. In addition if we are referring to the 1918 edition very few users will have that accessible and so the classification will be fairly useless, whereas if we are referring to the recent editions then we are asking for updates every time a new arrangement comes around, which is labour intensive. --Tom (LT) (talk) 20:54, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Also agree your example template looks 100% better. I can almost not believe how much less confrontational it looks. I've trialled putting the 'identifiers' using the 'above' class to separate them from the text. --Tom (LT) (talk) 20:59, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

And there is {{Lymphatic organ disease}}. Are we talking potentially all Category:Medicine templates? -DePiep (talk) 10:20, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I have refactored your comment by changing it to an 'outdent', I hope that is OK. Not that one. The codes provided on that template there are ICD codes, I am focusing here specifically around Gray's Anatomy codes, which are presented on mostly anatomy templates. But what you state early could be just as appplicable... such codes could be displayed in the navboxes or transferred to wikidata. Hmm. --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:04, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes I made a mess, with that "move TA" suggestion. Start subsection somewhere above? -DePiep (talk) 21:44, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Done, created this subthread. -DePiep (talk) 22:01, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, and thanks for splitting the ones below, too. How does one get these moved to wikidata? --Tom (LT) (talk) 20:34, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Wikitechnical howto proposal
  • Wikitechnical proposal. A TA is now hardcoded in the med template header like this (from {{Facial bones}}):
([[Terminologia Anatomica|TA A02.1.08–15]])
There are ~550 med nav templates to change with this (possibly along with the removal of GA). I propose to have TA formatted through a dedicated quite simple template eg {{TA med}}:
{{TA med|A02.1.08–15}} → returns [[Terminologia Anatomica|TA A02.1.08–15]] and shows TA A02.1.08–15
Advantages:
1. All uses of a TA can be found via tool "What links here" (=what transcludes). Even better when the anatomy infobox uses this one too!
2. Straight data format (wikidata?)
3. Single, central format for all
(detail: the chapter can have their own parameter for future section pointing: {{TA med|A02|1.08–15}}. More such smarties can be made available)
DePiep (talk) 17:06, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
Provisionally agree, this is a very clever proposal. However will this formatting need to be done manually or via a bot? If via a bot, can it be done simultaneously with porting it to Wikidata? Ideally we will port this to Wikidata soon, so this template will be an interim step... after the data is ported, will it be necessary? --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:01, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
I still don't know what "going to wikidata" factually means. I have to see a single demo. And I am not interested in any bot task, before I can do it manually myself. Quite simple: I disconnect each and every d: activity from improving the 600 med nav templates. The only connection is: always increase structure (eg, wikicode in template), never decrease (the bot will like this).
The formatting will be done once, in template {{TA med}} (longing for a better name). I don't know the TA format/structure yet, could be to expect like {{TA med|A02|1.08|15}}. The template /doc will describe which data is where in the template input. Then we'll have to edit all 600 templates (remove GA, reposition TA into the |above= row, and rewrite TA into the {{TA med}} input form). By manual, AWB or bot. Then the templates are looking OK, and we take a break. For this, we need to know beforehand what the TA format is & how it should show.
Independent from this, and after this, a bot can come along and read the (structured) TA-template and put it in d:.
I have no idea if these two steps can be done in one step (the bot reading TA, rewriting it in the template code, plus adding it to d:) Since this is complicated (combining multi, and interrelated steps) with new issues (d:), I myself would not do this nor advise this. Software project management. Hey, why not do some other improvements in step 1 (bg colors, add portal & category links below, ...)? More potential d:-data in a template? -DePiep (talk) 23:52, 5 January 2015
@DePiep do I have your permission to move this subthread down and retitle it "Navboxes -- repositioning identifiers", so that all three discussions are in one place? --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:12, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Go ahead. -DePiep (talk) 23:15, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 Done. Thanks. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:31, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

@DePiep, PizzaMan and others. So irrespective of HOW this is done, where should the identifiers be moved to? Move into an 'above' row, remove entirely?--Tom (LT) (talk) 23:36, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Something tells me to move them to the |below= row. That row can also be used to add a Portal and Category, and maybe more supra-nav topics. (currently the |below= used by navs sub-blocks, but these can work OK when put in |list99= of the template). -DePiep (talk) 23:53, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Other coded identifiers in titles; candidates: GA, TH, ICD, ATC,
(please add more) -DePiep (talk) 08:51, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
To be honest i don't have a strong opinion on this. PizzaMan (♨♨) 17:06, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Agree using 'below' and 'List 99' seems good ways to do this. I also like the way you integrated the identifiers into the bar. Two more used are TE and TA, which stand for 'Terminologica anatomica' and 'Terminologia embryologica'. Also as a sidenote, if we are linking anatomy articles 'biology' portal may be a more appropriate destination. Lastly, is there any way to make the bar a little less tall vertically? --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:20, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
You can try too in {{Medicine navs/below}}. Bar height I dunno, to be solved in the end. I think the below+navs needs to be looked at. Maybe the bar above those subnavs, or integrate. The subnavs might need a little adjustment themselves (color level? now they are child navboxes). Need some playing around in the navboxes. -DePiep (talk) 22:53, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Not looking too shabby. I think a bar inserted above the subnavs might be the way to go. I like the general idea of the bar. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:26, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
On the other hand, the converse point of view is that the navboxes are cluttered up already without adding another layer of links, and I'm still not even sure it's worthwhile linking identifiers in infoboxes... is there a precedent for that? --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:10, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
I think 'cluttering' is not a good reason to remove that. It's a reason to change the format/layout. (I made the med snake symbol smaller). As I said, I'm not happy with current sandbox. But we should play with colors and such. I'll put the bar in a regular group right now, to have a look. Remember that the colors can change too, following structure (and inversely: if the color doesn't look OK enough, that says the structure is not good enough). About examples: I don't know of. What I know is: it's a navbox, that means that if a reader is likely to click in one click to that other page, it should be in the navbox. That one click implies it should be directly related to the navbox topic (=title). For this, I'd say main & direct identifiers must be there. Readers are navigating around, in that topic. (btw, it is not a 'layer' of links. It is plain same level as the others imo). -DePiep (talk) 00:18, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
What I do know, is that virtually all good navboxes have a below-bar with the Portal, catgory/s, and such general links. Can't do without them. These generic links must be in the below-bar not in a group. (note: you can play with the sandboxes too. Noting to loose.) -DePiep (talk) 00:22, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
OK, I see. I have seen such bars around, so I guess you're right. If possible I think it would be good to have " Biology / Medicine " linked. I have different feelings about the use of identifiers in navboxes though. I think including them is a colossal waste of time for both us and future editors, and I think 0% of editors use the numbers to navigate around. The greater risk is that by adding one system users may want to add more and more systems, thereby wasting consecutively more and more time for no navigational benefit, and a detriment to the overall readability of the navbox or the little banner. Identifiers in navboxes may however have relevance for research purposes or some other unidentified wikidata use, which is why I think they should be transferred there. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:44, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
I added Biology portal, but I think it is wrong. The one and only portal for "Bones diseases" is Medicine. Not Portal:The Universe.
You are diverting into side-reasons. "I think 0% of editors [readers? DP] use the numbers to navigate around." Irrelevant, speculative. The criterium is: Is it a navigation link for that navbox's topic (=title). Read and digest WP:NAVBOX as a guideline. Apart from Gray, I have not read that id's are to be discarded. About 'time spend': irrelevant, misleading even. Sure we can postpone edits, but delete things because they takes attention? -DePiep (talk) 10:38, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
I think we are at loggerheads and will need the input of a third user. I know I have been inconsistent throughout this discussion but I just can't justify clutting up the navboxes with even more bars. Having been now through most anatomy navboxes I'd say the ratio of text to subnavbox text in a box is about 1.5:1 (ie there for every 1.5 links to an article there is 1 link to another navbox). I fear with this change we may move to 1:1. It is just too much clutter in my opinion, and I am not sure I am going to be convinced. We may need the opinion of a third user on this, or perhaps an RfC (ideally after we have done most of the work on other fronts). I'm still progressing on other fronts (moving headers, renaming, cleanup + colours) because if there is consensus to insert a bar we can quickly do that at any stage. --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:15, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Good idea to ask someone else. I'd start repeating myself. And indeed better wait, your current works can prevail and are an improvement everyway & anyway. -DePiep (talk) 07:53, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

List and text formatting

About usiung navbox lists (including child navboxes, *, ** and maybe *** listings.

  • Use standard navbox structures as much as possible. Do not introduce style variants that are inexplicable or unclear.
  • Use standard levels, eg child and  *, ** and maybe ***.
Added bolding, brackets, indents, newlines, smallpinrt etc are style deviations and have unclear meaning. Do not add them without very good reason. First try without. This also helps keeping the navbox simple (row-oriented, hierarchical).
  • A three-*** level has double ()-nesting. Text in there should be in italics to make distinct.
  • When regular navbox colors (blues) are used, a second level rowheader will have a lighter shade of blue. Good.
  • Capitalisation: Eponyms keep capitals, and abbreviations (like AIDS).
Navbox rowheaders (those on colored background) have one capital. Level-* list items get one initial capital (not all words). **-level items (= bracketed sublist) are not capitalised. ***-level items: no capitals.
  • Do not use "/", write "and" etc. Keep all text easy to read at all times, don't fall into code. Don't use jargon abbreviations (unless more common, then add them to the word). Do not omit repetated words unless they are gramatically replacable (eg, keep them repeated when in a different level).
-DePiep (talk) 14:28, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for posting these. I think these are some good principles and don't have anything to add here, but want to acknowledge that I've read it. --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:55, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

State

Many templates are included as automatically autocollapsed. Is this a recommended option? --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:58, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

IMO easiest first solution. We want: 1. show in homepage (because readers are led there), 2. don't show when in a set of navboxes in an article. (Even then, the first one = most important = may be open.
Do you have bad examples? Or situations to solve? -DePiep (talk) 00:06, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
I am getting confused.
has: | state = {{{state<includeonly>|autocollapse</includeonly>}}}
Shows open in home tempalte page, and collapsed in an artiucle like vein. OK (is what we want).
But when I leave out the <includeonly> tag, the ausotcollapse does not work? -DePiep (talk) 20:31, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, this question is above my head. I do wish to ask though, are navbox generally included as autocollapse? I am more familiar with boxes that are expanded if there's just one navbox, and collapsed if there are multiple. Is there such an option? --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:01, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, autocollapse is best here. autocollapse does:
1. in the article, collapse. Good, esp. when there are multiple navboxes in there.
2. uncollapse at the template's home page. Good. The reader does not need to (and not want to) click to see it. Bonus: neither do we, editors. In its tempalte page it can show.
(3. minor or irrelevant: an "autocollapse" shows initially when it is the first show/hide on that page. Not needed for list-of-navboxes).
{4. minor: my confusion I mentioned is about the correct wording: 'autocollapse' or 'autocollapseD'? Need to check the effects; should do #1 and #2. Also: what in a not-home template page?). -DePiep (talk) 08:02, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
OK, thanks for your reply. So reading your reply, 'autocollapse' is the best option. Can I write "autocollapse" without the complicated 'includeonly' and 'state' formatting? --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:55, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Documentation

After the final "}}", templates include some form of documentation. @DePiep, I was wondering if there is an anatomy documentation page to put in, and what the format should be when including documentation (eg whether it should be wrapped in "noinclude" and things like that). Secondly, I was wondering if there is an automated tool for that or if I have to do it manually? --Tom (LT) (talk) 01:47, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

This below:
}}<noinclude>
{{Anatomy navbox doc}}
[[Category:SPECIFIC CAT]]

</noinclude>

Note: 1. no whitespace in }}<noinclude>. (after }}-closing the navbox). 2. the category/ies best be specific. 3. We can control & improve {{Anatomy navbox doc}} centrally - nice & good. (4. and: no other text or things in there).-DePiep (talk) 01:57, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Answer 2: AWB can help with that (but the categories are varying so can need manual action). My AWB is not working at the moment.
My question: what whith MEDICINE navboxes? Is that a different set, or is there overlap? -DePiep (talk) 11:58, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your help, DePiep. There seems to be a lot of variance when it comes to documentation as I've discovered with my recent edits, but I'll try and stick to your formatting (Which, now that I see it, makes a lot of sense)--Tom (LT) (talk) 06:51, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Response to your question: Is there much overlap? There's less and less, and as discussed there is a fairly well-demarcated distinction between the two sets. --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:56, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Summary of progress

To be updated as we go

I think we are making progress on this. To summarise thus far: --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:11, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

  • @DePiep and @PizzaMan I'm reaching a loggerheads with some of the anatomy articles. I'd be very grateful if you please have a breeze through the 'cleanup' lists and help out.
    • @DePiep although you might not be familiar with the content many I've noted as 'Wikify' revolve around things like strange uses of capitalizations or italicisations I'm not too sure what to do about and would value another users opinions
    • @PizzaMan there's a list above of 70 templates that have subnavboxes but aren't linked. IF you have time, could you look at infoboxes (especially the ones where I've noted the title is unreadable to lay users), and also link the subnavboes without links from our navbox set? There have been some important ones, particularly general physiology and what not, that are missing
      • Sure. We're both busy atm, so we didn't finish cleaning up the index templates. But when i have time i'll take a look. What steps should i follow if i want to fix the name of a navbox? Just edit it? Or give you a list of corrected names? (please ping me in your response) PizzaMan (♨♨) 22:35, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
        • Thanks @PizzaMan. Not to worry, when you have time. Most of the boxes are in need of content rather than title edits, although for titles I am generally following this format. "Anatomy of [x]", "Physiology of [x]", "Diseases of [x]". If heaps of things are linked in the title, I try to move the excess links to the navbox itself. Oftentimes we have navbox titles trying to be navboxes and navboxes trying to be articles. If you could just browse through our list of templates in need of cleanup and do what you think needs doing (if nothing, then mark as  Not done) I'd be very grateful. I just find it hard to do thoughtful edits and batch editing at once, hence the lists. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:59, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
          • Just a note that i haven't forgot and when i'm less busy irl i will look into it. PizzaMan (♨♨) 13:08, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
            • Thanks PizzaMan. I've separated what we've identified into different sections and am parceling it off to relevant WPs. If I could ask something of you this week, would you mind clarifying what you meant in the section #Moves_or_titles? That way I can add it to the appropriate 'to-do' list. I look forward to your presence next week! --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:39, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
              • Just letting know i didn't forget, LT910001 :-) For most points in that section, i think the names of these templates should be changed. That would also involve renaming/moving the template itself, but i can't quite oversee what other technical steps that would require. Not that this is as far as i can see mostly index templates. When cleaning up the index templates we also changed the name of many of the templates linked from the index templates. So eventually there are a lot of name change requests in that too, but for now the first step should probably be getting the index templates in an even better shape. But what a change from where we started already! PizzaMan (♨♨) 15:11, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks you both! --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:36, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Next week more time. Found the word "wikify" on this page only once - here (even with lists unfolded). Anywhere else I should look? -DePiep (talk) 06:46, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for having a look DePiep. When you have time next week, open a few of the 'content cleanup' ones and have a look. Most of the cleanup isn't technical in nature, it's more like wikifying and simplifying the content. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:59, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
Got it. I won't touch the TA's etc. Currently my AWB doesn't work. -DePiep (talk) 08:19, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Tom LT, to be clear, this is bugging me into frustration:
Again and again the topics/templates/issues of WP:MED and WP:ANAT are mixing up. To you they may look the same, but to me they are not. Consider this: if that is not clear to me, I am don't feel invited to join. -DePiep (talk) 23:38, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm sorry you feel that way, DePiep. To be clear, templates that start with "Anatomy..." are usually anatomy. They are linked as "Anatomy" in the templates, or present in the list of anatomy templates here Template:List_of_anatomy_templates. Why am I centralising some discussion here? Well, firstly there has been some historical crossover, secondly they are referenced in this set of templates and thirdly, as above, I am just using it to subdivide my workload (ie I will work through all of them but will start at "Anatomy" and work forwards). Cheers, --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:53, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
LT910001. Tom, this page is off of my watchlist. I'm sure if you ping me, your question is relevant & I'll be there. Have a nice edit. -DePiep (talk) 21:51, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Table

Status Description Last updated
 Done Remove background colours --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:24, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Identifiers
 Done Add identifiers (GA, TA, TH, TE) to Wikidata --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:24, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 Done Remove identifiers from template titles --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:24, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Template cleanup
 Done Identify templates needing cleanup (medical, anatomy, dentistry, physiology) --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:24, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 Done Move templates to WPs and notify participants --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:24, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 Doing... Cleanup templates --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:24, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Subnavs
 Done Add subnavs to templates already linked --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:24, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 Done Identify templates needing subnavs --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:24, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 Doing... Add subnavs to said templates --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:39, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 Doing... Create needed subnavs --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:39, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 Not done Reconcile "biology" (actually inherited disease) templates with the current formatting --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:39, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Reproductive medicine

I'd like to use Template:Reproductive medicine navs instead of the gender-distinct Template:Male reproductive system navs and Template:Female reproductive system navs. The reason I'd like to do this is:

  • A lot of content is duplicated
  • Also a lot of homology in terms of anatomy, especially developmental, and reproductive medicine applies to both genders, especially contraceptive
  • A general "reproductive medicine" page can hold a number of templates which currently don't have a parent much easier.

Thoughts? --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:19, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Seen from the moon, this looks like a good idea. This would be a full merge then, eliminating/redirecting the gender-specific ones I guess & hope?
Keep this med navs template/lists up to date with these changes, please. -DePiep (talk) 11:31, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
No objections over the last week so  Done and  Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:18, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

More than 36 navs

I have found index navs that probably should be added to the list of 36. Found them here:

Parent category: Category:Pages that use a Medicine navs subtemplate (2 C, 6001 P -- this should be 0 P)

This shows "unknown" navs:

Looks like a few thousand pages (in the 6000) have not moved to the subcategory yet because of lazy re-categorizing. So be it.

I think we should:

  1. Add these indexes to the list of 36 in any sense & way
  2. Make sure the articles categorize in the correct subcategory
Notes

What is the status of {{Biochemical families}}? A navs too?

-DePiep (talk) 03:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree 100% with what you're thinking above.In addition DePiep there are a few more that I've noted and I think two more that I've created above in Template_talk:Medicine_navs#New_subnavs. Now that there's some more activity here I might give another burst of energy in this direction :P. --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:50, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Also see Template_talk:Medicine_navs#Converting_existing_subnavs above. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:00, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
The last 3000 pages in that parent template don't seem to be re-categorised soon. I think my job is done, but I'll keep an eye on this. -DePiep (talk) 11:32, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Tom, I see that Category:Templates that use a Medicine navs subtemplate (628 P) still has templates with background colors. Are these the colors we decided to get rid of, waiting for a cleanup? Or is there an other color scheme still active? -DePiep (talk) 21:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi DePiep, I tried to get rid of them from all the templates... I think I did at least 500+, if there's more then please continue to strip them! --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:14, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Will do so happily. Accidentally. -DePiep (talk) 00:18, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Lists of templates

Venn diagram of set intersection

Below are lists based on two criteria. It can help to check for missing usages (why does template A not use template B?). An explanation can be OK, or indicate an omission. -DePiep (talk) 17:14, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Very handy lists. When I get back from vacation I'll do a full census. Some of these definitely need to be linked. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:18, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
Tom (LT) perhaps we can work on it together? I'd like to prioritize the remainder of the general index templates and then move on to these and see if it's more effective to work on them individually or together. Either way, i'm available for the latter if you want. PizzaMan (♨♨) 19:23, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Since this is about the 36 med navs templates only, it has a natural isolation from the 600 other med templates. I advise to keep discussions separate when possible. (For that, this page is a good place btw). -DePiep (talk) 13:16, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
OK finally getting up to this. Your meaning for this list is the following:
the following list of templates are linked from the subnavs, and also contain a subnav, correct Green tickY?. --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:46, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Templates that are an outgoing link in a Medicine navs or having a Medicine navs subtemplate (595, initially)

In this list: 518 unique, that are in both lists.

-DePiep (talk) 00:27, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
  1. Template:Abdominal lymph nodes
  2. Template:Abdominopelvic cavity
  3. Template:Abnormal clinical and laboratory findings for blood
  4. Template:Abnormal clinical and laboratory findings for urine
  5. Template:Acari-borne diseases
  6. Template:Accessory digestive glands
  7. Template:Accessory organs of the eye
  8. Template:Acne agents
  9. Template:Acquired musculoskeletal deformities
  10. Template:Acquired tooth disease
  11. Template:Agents acting on the renin-angiotensin system
  12. Template:Agents against amoebozoa
  13. Template:Alveolata
  14. Template:Amino acid metabolic pathology
  15. Template:Amino acid metabolism enzymes
  16. Template:Amino acid metabolism intermediates
  17. Template:Amoebozoa
  18. Template:Amoebozoa diseases
  19. Template:Anabolic steroids
  20. Template:Analgesics
  21. Template:Angiogenic proteins
  22. Template:Antacids
  23. Template:Anthelmintics
  24. Template:Anti-arthropod medications
  25. Template:Anti-dementia drugs
  26. Template:Anti-inflammatory products
  27. Template:Antiaddictives
  28. Template:Antiarrhythmic agents
  29. Template:Anticonvulsants
  30. Template:Antidepressants
  31. Template:Antidiarrheals, intestinal anti-inflammatory/anti-infective agents
  32. Template:Antidotes
  33. Template:Antiemetics
  34. Template:Antifungals
  35. Template:Antiglaucoma preparations and miotics
  36. Template:Antigout preparations
  37. Template:Antihemorrhagics
  38. Template:Antimigraine preparations
  39. Template:Antimycobacterials
  40. Template:Antiobesity preparations
  41. Template:Antiparkinson
  42. Template:Antipruritics
  43. Template:Antipsoriatics
  44. Template:Antipsychotics
  45. Template:Antiretroviral drug
  46. Template:Antirheumatic products
  47. Template:Antiseptics and disinfectants
  48. Template:Antithrombotics
  49. Template:Antivertigo preparations
  50. Template:Anxiolytics
  51. Template:Arteries and veins
  52. Template:Arteries of abdomen
  53. Template:Arteries of head and neck
  54. Template:Arteries of lower limbs
  55. Template:Arteries of thorax
  56. Template:Arteries of upper limbs
  57. Template:Arthropathies and related conditions
  58. Template:Arthropod infestations
  59. Template:Assisted reproductive technology
  60. Template:Association fibers
  61. Template:Auditory and vestibular anatomy
  62. Template:Auditory and vestibular pathways
  63. Template:Autoantibodies
  64. Template:Autoantigens
  65. Template:Autonomic diseases
  66. Template:Autonomic nervous system
  67. Template:B03, B05, B06
  68. Template:Bacteria
  69. Template:Bacteria classification
  70. Template:Bacteria navs
  71. Template:Bacterial cutaneous infections
  72. Template:Baltimore (virus classification)
  73. Template:Beta blockers
  74. Template:Bile and liver therapy
  75. Template:Birth control methods
  76. Template:Bone and cartilage
  77. Template:Bone and cartilage navs
  78. Template:Bone, cartilage, and joint procedures
  79. Template:Bone/cartilage physiology
  80. Template:Bones of lower extremity
  81. Template:Bones of torso
  82. Template:Bones of upper extremity
  83. Template:Brachial plexus
  84. Template:Breast navs
  85. Template:CEA navs
  86. Template:CNS diseases of the nervous system
  87. Template:Calcium homeostasis
  88. Template:Cardiac glycosides
  89. Template:Cardiac procedures
  90. Template:Cardiac stimulants excluding cardiac glycosides
  91. Template:Cardiovascular physiology
  92. Template:Cardiovascular system symptoms and signs
  93. Template:Cell wall disruptive antibiotics
  94. Template:Central nervous system navs
  95. Template:Cerebellum
  96. Template:Cerebral cortex
  97. Template:Cerebrovascular diseases
  98. Template:Cervical plexus
  99. Template:Chest trauma
  100. Template:Cholera
  101. Template:Cholesterol and steroid intermediates
  102. Template:Cholesterol and steroid metabolism enzymes
  103. Template:Chromalveolate antiparasitics
  104. Template:Chromalveolate diseases
  105. Template:Citric acid cycle
  106. Template:Citric acid cycle enzymes and ETC
  107. Template:Cleft lip and palate
  108. Template:Clinical biochemistry blood tests
  109. Template:Coagulation
  110. Template:Cognition, perception, emotional state and behaviour symptoms and signs
  111. Template:Colony-stimulating factors
  112. Template:Commissural fibers and septum
  113. Template:Common cold
  114. Template:Complement system
  115. Template:Compound structures of skull
  116. Template:Congenital diaphragm and abdominal wall defects
  117. Template:Congenital endocrine disorders
  118. Template:Congenital heart defects
  119. Template:Congenital lymphatic organ disorders
  120. Template:Congenital malformations and deformations of digestive system
  121. Template:Congenital malformations and deformations of ears
  122. Template:Congenital malformations and deformations of eye
  123. Template:Congenital malformations and deformations of face and neck
  124. Template:Congenital malformations and deformations of integument
  125. Template:Congenital malformations and deformations of musculoskeletal system
  126. Template:Congenital malformations and deformations of nervous system
  127. Template:Congenital malformations and deformations of respiratory system
  128. Template:Congenital malformations and deformations of skin appendages
  129. Template:Congenital malformations of urinary system
  130. Template:Congenital vascular defects
  131. Template:Corticosteroids
  132. Template:Cough and cold preparations
  133. Template:Cranial fibrous joints
  134. Template:Cranial nerves
  135. Template:Cranium
  136. Template:Cutaneous keratosis, ulcer, atrophy, and necrobiosis
  137. Template:Cutaneous vasculitis
  138. Template:DNA antivirals
  139. Template:Defects of cholesterol and steroid metabolism
  140. Template:Demyelinating diseases of CNS
  141. Template:Dentistry
  142. Template:Dentofacial anomalies and jaw disease
  143. Template:Dermatitis and eczema
  144. Template:Detoxifying agents for antineoplastic treatment
  145. Template:Development of digestive system
  146. Template:Development of integument
  147. Template:Development of mammalian circulatory system
  148. Template:Development of nervous system
  149. Template:Development of respiratory system
  150. Template:Development of urinary and reproductive systems
  151. Template:Developmental tooth disease
  152. Template:Diabetes
  153. Template:Diencephalon
  154. Template:Digestive enzymes
  155. Template:Digestive system and abdomen symptoms and signs
  156. Template:Digestive system diseases
  157. Template:Digestive system navs
  158. Template:Digestive system neoplasia
  159. Template:Digestive system procedures
  160. Template:Digestive tract
  161. Template:Diseases of RBCs and megakaryocytes
  162. Template:Diseases of maternal transmission
  163. Template:Diseases of meninges
  164. Template:Diseases of myoneural junction and muscle
  165. Template:Diseases of the ear and mastoid process
  166. Template:Dislocations, sprains and strains
  167. Template:Disorders of TCA and ETC
  168. Template:Disorders of skin appendages
  169. Template:Disorders of subcutaneous fat
  170. Template:Diuretics
  171. Template:Dorsopathies
  172. Template:Drugs for erectile dysfunction and PE
  173. Template:Drugs for functional gastrointestinal disorders
  174. Template:Drugs for obstructive airway diseases
  175. Template:Drugs for peptic ulcer and GORD
  176. Template:Drugs for treatment of bone diseases
  177. Template:Drugs used in benign prostatic hypertrophy
  178. Template:Ear navs
  179. Template:Ear procedures
  180. Template:Eicosanoid metabolism disorders
  181. Template:Eicosanoid metabolism enzymes
  182. Template:Eicosanoids
  183. Template:Embryology
  184. Template:Embryology of bones, joints, and muscles
  185. Template:Embryology of endocrine system
  186. Template:Embryology of head and neck
  187. Template:Embryology of lymphatic organs
  188. Template:Emollients and protectives
  189. Template:Endocrine gland neoplasia
  190. Template:Endocrine navs
  191. Template:Endocrine pathology
  192. Template:Endocrine system anatomy
  193. Template:Endocrine system procedures
  194. Template:Endocrinology physiology
  195. Template:Endodontology
  196. Template:Enzyme cofactors
  197. Template:Eponymous medical signs for cardiovascular system
  198. Template:Eponymous medical signs for digestive system and general abdominal signs
  199. Template:Eponymous medical signs for endocrinology, nutrition, and metabolism
  200. Template:Eponymous medical signs for eyes and ears
  201. Template:Eponymous medical signs for hematology
  202. Template:Eponymous medical signs for infectious disease
  203. Template:Eponymous medical signs for integumentary system
  204. Template:Eponymous medical signs for muscles and soft tissue
  205. Template:Eponymous medical signs for nervous system
  206. Template:Eponymous medical signs for obstetrics
  207. Template:Eponymous medical signs for oncology
  208. Template:Eponymous medical signs for reproductive system
  209. Template:Eponymous medical signs for respiratory system
  210. Template:Eponymous medical signs for skeletal system and joints
  211. Template:Eponymous medical signs for urinary system
  212. Template:Excavata
  213. Template:Excavata antiparasitics
  214. Template:Excavata diseases
  215. Template:Extracellular chemotherapeutic agents
  216. Template:Extraembryonic and fetal membranes
  217. Template:Eye anatomy
  218. Template:Eye and ear physiology
  219. Template:Eye navs
  220. Template:Eye pathology
  221. Template:Eye procedures
  222. Template:Eye proteins
  223. Template:Eye tumors
  224. Template:Facial bones
  225. Template:Fatty-acid metabolism disorders
  226. Template:Fatty-acid metabolism intermediates
  227. Template:Female congenital anomalies of genital organs
  228. Template:Female diseases of the pelvis and genitals
  229. Template:Female genital neoplasia
  230. Template:Female genital procedures
  231. Template:Female reproductive system
  232. Template:Female reproductive system navs
  233. Template:Foramina of skull
  234. Template:Fourth ventricle
  235. Template:Fractures
  236. Template:Fructose and galactose metabolic intermediates
  237. Template:Fructose and galactose metabolism enzymes
  238. Template:Fungi classification
  239. Template:Fungus
  240. Template:Fungus navs
  241. Template:Gastrointestinal physiology
  242. Template:General anesthetics
  243. Template:Glycogenesis and glycogenolysis enzymes
  244. Template:Glycogenesis and glycogenolysis metabolic intermediates
  245. Template:Glycolipid/sphingolipid metabolism enzymes
  246. Template:Glycolysis
  247. Template:Glycolysis enzymes
  248. Template:Glycoprotein disorders
  249. Template:Glycoprotein metabolism enzymes
  250. Template:Glycoproteins
  251. Template:Glycosaminoglycans
  252. Template:Gram-negative non-proteobacterial diseases
  253. Template:Gram-negative proteobacterial diseases
  254. Template:Gram-positive actinobacteria diseases
  255. Template:Gram-positive firmicutes diseases
  256. Template:Granule contents
  257. Template:Gustatory system
  258. Template:Gynecological anti-infectives and antiseptics
  259. Template:HIV and AIDS
  260. Template:Headache
  261. Template:Heart anatomy
  262. Template:Heart diseases
  263. Template:Heart navs
  264. Template:Heart neoplasia
  265. Template:Helminthiases
  266. Template:Heme metabolism disorders
  267. Template:Heme metabolism intermediates
  268. Template:Hemeproteins
  269. Template:Histiocytosis
  270. Template:Hormones
  271. Template:Human cell types derived primarily from mesoderm
  272. Template:Human lice
  273. Template:Human papillomavirus
  274. Template:Hypersensitivity and autoimmune diseases
  275. Template:Immunoglobulin superfamily immune receptors
  276. Template:Immunologic techniques and tests
  277. Template:Immunoproliferative immunoglobulin disorders
  278. Template:Immunostimulants
  279. Template:Immunosuppressants
  280. Template:Inborn errors of carbohydrate metabolism
  281. Template:Inborn errors of metal metabolism
  282. Template:Inborn errors of purine-pyrimidine metabolism
  283. Template:Infestation navs
  284. Template:Influenza
  285. Template:Integument navs
  286. Template:Integumentary physiology
  287. Template:Integumentary system
  288. Template:Intracellular chemotherapeutic agents
  289. Template:Joint navs
  290. Template:Joints
  291. Template:Joints of head and neck
  292. Template:Joints of lower limbs
  293. Template:Joints of torso
  294. Template:Joints of upper limbs
  295. Template:Labor repressants
  296. Template:Larynx anatomy
  297. Template:Lateral ventricles
  298. Template:Laxatives
  299. Template:Lipid metabolism disorders
  300. Template:Lipid metabolism enzymes
  301. Template:Lipid modifying agents
  302. Template:Lipid storage disorders
  303. Template:Lipoprotein metabolism
  304. Template:Local anesthetics
  305. Template:Lower respiratory system anatomy
  306. Template:Lumbosacral plexus
  307. Template:Lymph immun and complement navs
  308. Template:Lymphatic organ disease
  309. Template:Lymphatic organ navs
  310. Template:Lymphatic organ neoplasia
  311. Template:Lymphatic organ procedures
  312. Template:Lymphatic vessel disease
  313. Template:Lymphatics of head and neck
  314. Template:Lymphatics of lower limbs
  315. Template:Lymphatics of upper limbs
  316. Template:Lymphocytes
  317. Template:Lymphocytic immune system
  318. Template:Lymphoid and complement immunodeficiency
  319. Template:Lymphoid malignancy
  320. Template:Male congenital anomalies of genital organs
  321. Template:Male diseases of the pelvis and genitals
  322. Template:Male genital neoplasia
  323. Template:Male genital procedures
  324. Template:Male reproductive system
  325. Template:Male reproductive system navs
  326. Template:Medicine navs
  327. Template:Medulla
  328. Template:Meninges
  329. Template:Mental and behavioral disorders
  330. Template:Mesencephalon
  331. Template:Metabolic disorders of vitamins, coenzymes, and cofactors
  332. Template:Metabolic navs
  333. Template:Metabolism
  334. Template:Metabolism of vitamins, coenzymes, and cofactors
  335. Template:Metal metabolism
  336. Template:Mineral supplements
  337. Template:Monocyte and granulocyte disease
  338. Template:Mouth anatomy
  339. Template:Mouth navs
  340. Template:Mucinoses
  341. Template:Muscle and soft tissue procedures
  342. Template:Muscle navs
  343. Template:Muscle relaxants
  344. Template:Muscle tissue
  345. Template:Muscles of abdomen
  346. Template:Muscles of head
  347. Template:Muscles of lower limb
  348. Template:Muscles of neck
  349. Template:Muscles of perineum
  350. Template:Muscles of thorax and back
  351. Template:Muscles of upper limb
  352. Template:Muscular physiology
  353. Template:Muscular system
  354. Template:Mycoses
  355. Template:Mydriatics and cycloplegics
  356. Template:Myeloid blood cells and plasma
  357. Template:Myeloid blood tests
  358. Template:Myeloid innate immune system
  359. Template:Myeloid malignancy
  360. Template:Myeloid navs
  361. Template:Myeloid physiology
  362. Template:Myopathy
  363. Template:Nasal preparations
  364. Template:Neoplasia navs
  365. Template:Nerve tissue protein
  366. Template:Nervous and musculoskeletal system symptoms and signs
  367. Template:Nervous system
  368. Template:Nervous system physiology
  369. Template:Nervous system tumors
  370. Template:Nervous tissue
  371. Template:Neuro procedures
  372. Template:Neurotransmitter transporters
  373. Template:Neurotransmitters
  374. Template:Neurotrauma
  375. Template:Neurotrophins
  376. Template:Nonsympatholytic vasodilatory antihypertensives
  377. Template:Nose anatomy
  378. Template:Nucleic acid inhibitors
  379. Template:Nucleotide metabolism enzymes
  380. Template:Nucleotide metabolism intermediates
  381. Template:Nutrition navs
  382. Template:Nutritional pathology
  383. Template:Obstetric navs
  384. Template:Obstetrical procedures
  385. Template:Ocular vascular disorder agents
  386. Template:Odontogenic tumors
  387. Template:Olfaction navs
  388. Template:Olfactory receptors
  389. Template:Olfactory system
  390. Template:Ophthalmological anti-infectives
  391. Template:Oral hypoglycemics and insulin analogs
  392. Template:Oral pathology
  393. Template:Orthodontics
  394. Template:Osseous and chondromatous tumors
  395. Template:Osteochondrodysplasia
  396. Template:Osteochondropathy
  397. Template:Other alimentary tract and metabolism products
  398. Template:Other dermatological preparations
  399. Template:Other nervous system drugs
  400. Template:Other respiratory system products
  401. Template:Otologicals
  402. Template:PNS diseases of the nervous system
  403. Template:Papulosquamous disorders
  404. Template:Paraneoplastic syndromes
  405. Template:Pathology of pregnancy, childbirth and the puerperium
  406. Template:Pediatric conditions originating in the perinatal period
  407. Template:Pelvis
  408. Template:Pentose phosphate pathway enzymes
  409. Template:Pentose phosphate pathway intermediates
  410. Template:Periodontology
  411. Template:Peripheral nervous system navs
  412. Template:Peripheral vasodilators
  413. Template:Phospholipid metabolism
  414. Template:Phospholipid metabolism disorders
  415. Template:Phospholipids
  416. Template:Pigmentation disorders
  417. Template:Pituitary and hypothalamic hormones and analogues
  418. Template:Pneumonia
  419. Template:Poisoning and toxicity
  420. Template:Pons
  421. Template:Porphyrin metabolism enzymes
  422. Template:Pregnancy
  423. Template:Preparations for treatment of wounds and ulcers
  424. Template:Procedures on the mouth and pharynx
  425. Template:Prosthodontology
  426. Template:Protein synthesis inhibitor antibiotics
  427. Template:Proteoglycan disorders
  428. Template:Proteoglycan metabolism enzymes
  429. Template:Protist structures
  430. Template:Psych navs
  431. Template:Psychotherapy
  432. Template:RNA antivirals
  433. Template:Radiation-related disorders
  434. Template:Reflex
  435. Template:Renal physiology
  436. Template:Reproductive system symptoms and signs
  437. Template:Respiratory neoplasia
  438. Template:Respiratory pathology
  439. Template:Respiratory physiology
  440. Template:Respiratory system navs
  441. Template:Respiratory system procedures
  442. Template:Respiratory system symptoms and signs
  443. Template:Rostral basal ganglia and associated structures
  444. Template:Seizures and epilepsy
  445. Template:Skin and subcutaneous tissue procedures
  446. Template:Skin and subcutaneous tissue symptoms and signs
  447. Template:Skin appendage navs
  448. Template:Skin tumors, dermis
  449. Template:Skin tumors, epidermis
  450. Template:Skin tumors, nevi and melanomas
  451. Template:Sleep
  452. Template:Soft tissue disorders
  453. Template:Soft tissue tumors and sarcomas
  454. Template:Somatosensory system
  455. Template:Sphingolipids
  456. Template:Spinal cord
  457. Template:Stomatological preparations
  458. Template:Sympatholytic antihypertensives
  459. Template:Symptoms concerning nutrition, metabolism and development
  460. Template:Symptoms involving head and neck
  461. Template:Systemic connective tissue disorders
  462. Template:Systemic vasculitis
  463. Template:Taste
  464. Template:Taste navs
  465. Template:Thoracic cavity
  466. Template:Thoracic diaphragm
  467. Template:Thoracic lymph nodes
  468. Template:Throat preparations
  469. Template:Thyroid therapy
  470. Template:Tooth anatomy
  471. Template:Tooth development
  472. Template:Tooth navs
  473. Template:Toxicology
  474. Template:Toxicology navs
  475. Template:Toxins
  476. Template:Transfusion medicine
  477. Template:Trigeminal nerve
  478. Template:Tuberculosis
  479. Template:Tumor markers
  480. Template:Tumor suppressor genes and oncogenes
  481. Template:Tumors
  482. Template:Tumors of lip, oral cavity and pharynx
  483. Template:Tumors of skin appendages
  484. Template:Urea cycle
  485. Template:Urea cycle enzymes
  486. Template:Urinary system anatomy
  487. Template:Urinary system navs
  488. Template:Urinary system symptoms and signs
  489. Template:Urine tests
  490. Template:Urologic disease
  491. Template:Urologic neoplasia
  492. Template:Urologic procedures
  493. Template:Urologicals, including antispasmodics
  494. Template:Urticaria and erythema
  495. Template:Uterotonic
  496. Template:Vaccines
  497. Template:Varicella zoster
  498. Template:Vascular diseases
  499. Template:Vascular navs
  500. Template:Vascular procedures
  501. Template:Vascular tumors
  502. Template:Vasodilators used in cardiac diseases
  503. Template:Vasoprotectives
  504. Template:Veins of the abdomen and pelvis
  505. Template:Veins of the head and neck
  506. Template:Veins of the lower extremity
  507. Template:Veins of the thorax and vertebral column
  508. Template:Veins of the upper extremity
  509. Template:Vesiculobullous disease
  510. Template:Viral cutaneous conditions
  511. Template:Viral proteins
  512. Template:Viral systemic diseases
  513. Template:Virus navs
  514. Template:Virus topics
  515. Template:Visual pathways
  516. Template:Vitamins
  517. Template:Water-electrolyte imbalance and acid-base imbalance
  518. Template:Zoonotic viral diseases

Linked but no subnav

The following list contains templates that are linked from the templates, but do not contain the subnav, correct Green tickY?. --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:46, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

One outstanding issue. --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:43, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:48, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Asymmetrical lists from the above list (disjoints) (20, initially)
  • Templates checked: 615 unique
  • Templates in both: 518 unique
  • Templates bluelinked 518+20=538
  • Templates bluelinked, but *not* a parent (target link does not have a Mednavs subtemplate): 20
  1. Template:Acari
  2. Template:Androgens
  3. Template:Animalia
  4. Template:Breast anatomy
These 'no issues' could imply an error in the list composing logic ({{Breast navs}} replated?). Sorry to have bothered you; glad it's only a few. -DePiep (talk) 10:23, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  1. Template:Breast neoplasia
  2. Template:Breast procedures
  3. Template:Channel blockers
  4. Template:Cholinergics
  5. Template:Congenital malformations and deformations of breast
  6. Template:Diseases of the breast
  7. Template:Estrogens and progestogens
  8. Template:Histaminergics
  9. Template:Hypnotics and sedatives
  10. Template:Immune system
  11. Template:Intravenous therapy
  12. Template:Lymphatic organ anatomy
  13. Template:Mental processes
  14. Template:Psychologic and psychiatric evaluation and testing
  15. Template:Psychostimulants, agents used for ADHD and nootropics
  16. Template:Reproductive physiology

Unlinked but contain a subnav

The following list contains templates that are not linked from the templates, but contain a subnav, correct Green tickY?. --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:46, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Update:Many of these templates fall under the purview of {{Psych navs}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:58, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
 Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:47, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Not mentioned in MED navs, but do use a MED navs (77, initially)
  • Template with a Mednavs subtemplate (=parent) = 518+77=595
  • Template with a Mednavs subtemplate (=parent), but *not* linked into from any Mednavs: 77
Actioned
  1. Template:2009 US swine flu outbreak table
     Not done Sidebar with embedded influenza navbox (hence the link to a navbox). --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:45, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  2. Template:2009 flu pandemic in Africa table
     Not done Sidebar with embedded influenza navbox (hence the link to a navbox). --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:45, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  3. Template:2009 flu pandemic in Asia table
     Not done Sidebar with embedded influenza navbox (hence the link to a navbox). --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:45, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  4. Template:2009 flu pandemic in Europe table
     Not done Sidebar with embedded influenza navbox (hence the link to a navbox). --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:45, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  5. Template:2009 flu pandemic in Oceania table
     Not done Sidebar with embedded influenza navbox (hence the link to a navbox). --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:45, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  6. Template:2009 swine flu genetic table
     Not done Sidebar with embedded influenza navbox (hence the link to a navbox). --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:45, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  7. Template:2009-2010 flu pandemic table
     Not done Sidebar with embedded influenza navbox (hence the link to a navbox). --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:45, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  8. Template:Acute phase proteins
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:18, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  9. Template:Allergic conditions
     Done Link added. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:50, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  10. Template:Androgens and antiandrogens
     Done Link fixed. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:50, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  11. Template:Antibiotics
     Not done This is an overview list. See suggestion below. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
  12. Template:Antibiotics and chemotherapeutics for dermatological use
     Done Link added. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:50, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  13. Template:Antibodies
     Not done This is an overview list. See suggestion below. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
  14. Template:Appearance phenomena
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:18, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  15. Template:Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder
     Done Link added. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:50, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  16. Template:Chelating agents
     Done Link added. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:05, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
  17. Template:Clusters of differentiation by lineage
     Not done a very technical template I do not think would benefit readers by including in a subnav--Tom (LT) (talk) 21:18, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  18. Template:Cognitive behavioral therapy
     Done Link added. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:05, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
  19. Template:Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:40, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  20. Template:Estrogens and antiestrogens
     Done Link fixed. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:50, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  21. Template:Factitial dermatitis
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:30, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  22. Template:Flea-borne diseases
     Not done Already linked. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:05, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
  23. Template:Gluten sensitivity
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:40, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  24. Template:Gonadal tumors, paraganglioma, and glomus
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:40, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  25. Template:Growth media
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:40, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  26. Template:Human arteries
     Not done This is an overview list. See suggestion below. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
  27. Template:Human bones
     Not done This is an overview list. See suggestion below. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
  28. Template:Human lymphatic vessels
     Not done This is an overview list. See suggestion below. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
  29. Template:Immune sera and immunoglobulins
  30. Template:Lesions of spinal cord and brain
     Done linked as 'lesions' in the symptom section (this is more about syndromes that can arise secondary to lesions) --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
  31. Template:Lymphatic trunks and ducts
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:30, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  32. Template:Lymphoid system
     Done Link fixed. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:50, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  33. Template:Menstrual cycle
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:30, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  34. Template:Monoclonals for immune system
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:30, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  35. Template:Mood disorders
     Not done Link added. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:58, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  36. Template:Muscular dystrophy
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:30, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  37. Template:Neoplasms
     Not done This is an overview list. See suggestion below. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
  38. Template:Obsessive–compulsive disorder
     Done Link added. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:58, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  39. Template:Orthopedic examination
     Done Link added. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:58, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  40. Template:Perkinsidae
     Not done Incomprehensible and full of redlinks, so not linked. --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:40, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  41. Template:Progestogens and antiprogestogens
     Done Link added. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:05, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
  42. Template:Psychoactive substance use
  43. Template:Psychological and psychiatric evaluation and testing
     Not done No apparent problem. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:58, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  44. Template:Rhytidocystidae
     Not done Incomprehensible and full of redlinks, so not linked. --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:40, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  45. Template:STD/STI
     Question: An important templatethat needs linking. Where? --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:17, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  46. Template:Spinal nerves
     Not done Link added. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:58, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
  47. Template:Surface antigens
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:40, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  48. Template:Symptoms and signs
     Not done This is an overview list. See suggestion below. --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:30, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  49. Template:Thyroid hormone intermediates
     Question: Currently linked in IEM. To link in 'hormones'? --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:17, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  50. Template:Thyroid hormone metabolism enzymes and transporters
     Question: Currently linked in IEM. To link in 'hormones'? --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:17, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  51. Template:Tourette syndrome
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:30, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  52. Template:Vertebral column and spinal cord
     Not done Used in two articles only: proposed deletion [2]. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:58, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
     Done deleted. --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:30, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
  53. Template:Bones of skeleton
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  54. Template:CSF tests
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  55. Template:Dyslexia and specific developmental disorders
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  56. Template:Emotional and behavioral disorders
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  57. Template:Human corneal dystrophy
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  58. Template:Infectious blood tests
     Not done I don't there is a specific enough subnav to be linked--Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  59. Template:Neural tracts
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  60. Template:Nonmusculoskeletal injuries of abdomen and pelvis
     Not done I don't there is a specific enough subnav to be linked--Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  61. Template:Nonmusculoskeletal injuries of head and neck
     Not done I don't there is a specific enough subnav to be linked--Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  62. Template:Pain
     Not done I don't this is relevant enough to a particular subnav to be linked--Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  63. Template:Papez circuit
     Not done I don't this is relevant enough to a particular subnav to be linked--Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  64. Template:Pattern recognition receptors
     Not done I don't this is relevant enough to a particular subnav to be linked--Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  65. Template:Pervasive developmental disorders
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  66. Template:Visual phenomena
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  67. Template:Colpodellidae
     Question: I cannot make head or tail of this... need some help here! --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
     Not done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:17, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  68. Template:Eponymous medical signs
     Question: Very general title. See suggestion below. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
     Not done too general--Tom (LT) (talk) 07:17, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  69. Template:General injuries
     Question: Very general scope. See suggestion below. --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
     Not done too general--Tom (LT) (talk) 07:17, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  70. Template:Cerebral palsy
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:17, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  71. Template:Cerebral palsy and other paralytic syndromes
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:17, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  72. Template:Chronic fatigue syndrome
     Not done Too controversial to put in a particular box at this point in time--Tom (LT) (talk) 07:17, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  73. Template:Connective tissue
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:17, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  74. Template:Drugs for treatment of hyperkalemia and hyperphosphatemia
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:47, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  75. Template:Neurotransmitter metabolism enzymes
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:47, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  76. Template:Neurotransmitter metabolism intermediates
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:47, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  77. Template:Neutrophilic and eosinophilic dermatosis
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:47, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Needing a subnav

Doing
  1. {{Pharmaceutical microbiology}} very small, surely this is duplicated
     Doing... proposed deletion. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:04, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  2. {{Routes of administration by organ system}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
    Duplicated by {{Dosage forms}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:46, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Doing... Proposed merging. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:04, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  3. {{Other metabolic pathology}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:14, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
     Doing... proposed deletion. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:04, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  4. {{Digestives}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Doing... deletion proposed. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Addressed
Addressed
  1. Reproductive medicine
    {{Sexual dysfunction pharmacotherapies}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
    {{Hormonal contraceptives}} and other contraception-related ones.
    {{Microbicides for sexually transmitted diseases}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
    {{Gonadotropins and GnRH}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
    {{Prolactin inhibitors and anti-inflammatory products for vaginal administration}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
    {{Sex determination and differentiation}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:14, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
    {{STD and STI}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:33, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
     Done all --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:33, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
  2. {{Bursae and sheaths}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:05, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:40, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  3. {{Germ cell tumors}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:14, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:26, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  4. {{Pervasive developmental disorders}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:14, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
     Not done --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:04, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
    {{Stains}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Not done Not specific enough to a particular metanav to be linked --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:04, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
    {{Other antibacterials}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:04, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  5. {{Motion sickness}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:14, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:38, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  6. {{Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:14, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:38, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  7. {{General surgery}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:38, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  8. {{Orthopaedic Eponyms}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:38, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  9. {{Mineralocorticoids}} lacks a link. --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:38, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  10. {{Neurotransmitter systems}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:02, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:38, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  11. Respiratory
    {{Mechanical ventilation}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
    {{Respiratory care}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
    {{PAH rx}} also needs a rename. --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
    {{Thoracic surgery}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  12. Imaging
    {{Medical imaging}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
    {{Contrast media}}, {{Diagnostic radiopharmaceuticals}} not too sure about these ones, they're on the borderline. --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Not done too general. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  13. {{Medical instruments and implants}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Not done too general. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  14. {{Infectious blood tests}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Not done too general. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  15. {{Orthopaedic surgical approaches}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Done too general. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
    {{Infectious disease}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Not done too general. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
    {{Engineered antibodies}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Not done too general. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
    {{Monoclonals for infectious disease and toxins}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Not done too general. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:53, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  16. {{Molecular probes}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Not done only if there was a general 'infection' box. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:04, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  17. {{Tricyclics}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Not done too general. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:04, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  18. {{Antihistamines}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:04, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  19. Skin
    {{Diseases of the skin and appendages by morphology}}. --Tom (LT) (talk) 09:41, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
    {{Clinical and histological nomenclature for skin lesions}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:06, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  20. {{Small blue round cell tumors}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:17, 13 February 2015 (UTC)# {{Lupus nephritis}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:17, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
     Not done no appropriate parent. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  21. {{Emergency medicine}} - subnav emergency medicine? --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Not done no appropriate template --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
    {{Emergency medical services}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Not done no appropriate template --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
    {{EMS around the world}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Not done no appropriate template --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
    {{Intensive care medicine}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Not done no appropriate template --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  22. {{Monoclonals for bone, musculoskeletal, circulatory, and neurologic systems}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Not done too general. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  23. Cancer
    {{Radiation oncology}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:14, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
    {{Epithelial neoplasms}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:14, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
     Not done no suitable template --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
    {{Carcinogen}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:14, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
    {{Monoclonals for tumors}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  24. {{Intravenous therapy}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:54, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  25. {{Trauma}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:54, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  26. {{Topical products for joint and muscular pain}} --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:54, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Converting existing subnavs

 Done Addressed
  1. See also {{Biochemistry metanavs}} our biochem counterpart nav footers. --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:58, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
  2. {{GABAAR PAMs}} 'see also' here. --Tom (LT) (talk) 05:36, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Not done --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:55, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  3. {{Neuropeptidergics}} the 'see also' here. {{Opioidergics}}, {{Melatonergics}}. --Tom (LT) (talk) 05:36, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
     Not done --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:55, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Layout

If there are no objections would I be able to organise these navs into groups? They are getting a bit unweildy. I would arrange them into groups: by anatomy, by speciality, cellular navs, and a group 'infections'. --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:26, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Im not sure what you suggest (exactly). But I think all the links to other templates should be much smaller (right now, they take up to 40-50 percent of some templates which transclude them (e.g. {{amino acids}}). Its a navgigation box, and imho it should link to articles. I think that consensus are not to link to templates from templates, but I cant find it in policy, but I have seen the arguments in TfD's. Christian75 (talk) 10:16, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Yes I agree some are quite large but particularly the medical ones are very useful navigational tools because editors can readily jump between related articles (eg circulatory diseases and circulatory anatomy). I don't know what makes a list preferable to these boxes if the boxes are not too big. However I see what you mean about biochemical families... and does an inbuilt link to the families actually provide useful navigational value (I think this is the question we should be asking). If not I agree let's shorten it or get rid of it. What do you think? In addition, it seems to be displaying larger than comparable navboxes, at least on my system...? --Tom (LT) (talk) 21:58, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Biochemical templates didn't have the |belowstyle = background: transparent; padding: 0px; line used in most medical templates to format the index nav. Specifically, {{Amino acids}} had code that made the font bigger. I added it and the navs look fine now. I feel that the navigational value of biochemical navs isn't that of medical navs, but I'm not really in favour of deleting them altogether. Should they display as collapsed? --Tilifa Ocaufa (talk) 06:46, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
And to clarify earlier I'm just talking about how we've arranged the templates on this page (currently it's in alphabetical order), not how the actual contents of the templates are arranged. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:18, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
So, the #1 proposal here is to order the ~40 navs in page Template:Medicine navs by group (not by alphabet). NotNote that this page is just for documentation (our internal overview). This {{Medicine navs}} itself should not show in articles (content) ever. Agreed: let's do it (need any help, Tom?). Any side proposal left then? -DePiep (talk) 22:43, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 Done 'Cell', 'General' and 'Infection'. That's all I was proposing. I hope that's satisfactory.--Tom (LT) (talk) 09:12, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
OK. I've added green to show the documentation parts. Changed title. -DePiep (talk) 06:14, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Template:Protein defects by function navs

Template:Protein defects by function navs(edit talk links history) still has abbreviations. They should be replaced. {{Protein defects by function navs/sandbox}}. -DePiep (talk) 14:45, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

 Done --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:06, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
@DePiep I'm about to merge two of the 'cell' templates. Would it be OK to wait a few minutes? Cheers, --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:55, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
In addition I'm not too heavily in favour of use of subnavboxes in these templates as I think it makes it harder to edit and we already have a good structure we have all agreed on ('description, disease, treatment' with level 2 and three headings). --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:56, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Merge'm. Won't edit in here today. I think the (sub) level is not necessary, esp sinece it takes only one depth extra. -DePiep (talk) 23:59, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Having expanded some of the cell navs that you've just brought up, I think 2-3 can be merged into a single 'cellular disease' nav. --Tom (LT) (talk) 00:00, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, saw similarities. btw, the subnavbox I added prevented it being one long snaking line of text. Not clear. -DePiep (talk) 00:01, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Yep, I might slice and dice contents a little bit through. I'm just not sure in what ways. I've put the cellular things in one, and that leaves membrane transport / intracellular signalling. Still not decided what to do with them. Any ideas? --Tom (LT) (talk) 01:47, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
We (you) can do the merge first. Long after it's stable and live, we could take another look at this structure layout. Till then, I take a nap. -DePiep (talk) 07:21, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
... Now I see. That was fast. -07:25, 6 April 2015 (UTC)