Template talk:Intermediates between Catholicism and Protestantism
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Inherent NPOV issues
[edit]Including almost anything in this template is going to run into NPOV problems.
For example, wreckovation describes opposition to a movement within Catholicism. Are the people who oppose this movement "intermediate between Catholicism and Protestantism"? Or the people who advocate for it? Both groups would say they were Catholic.
Again, including Anglo-Catholicism is problematic. Anglo-Catholics don't claim to be Protestant, or even intermediate between Catholic and Protestant.
The only valid example I can see is via media and things based around it, which are explicitly intermediate. Anything beyond that will be NPOV. On the face of it, the whole template seems a bad idea. Marnanel (talk) 16:28, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
- Anglo-Catholics do not all forsake the "via media" to other Anglicans. Being more Catholic is one way to emphasize the via media. As for wreckovation, the article name reflects a certain POV: People who don't think wreckovation Protestantizes a church probably don't use the perjorative term wreckovation to describe the changes. The article discusses changes "similar in nature to the iconoclastic modifications of churches" during the Reformation. The criticism being expressed is that wreckovated churches are Protestant-ized or apeing Protestants. Such changes as "sanctuary was extended into the nave" and "theater in the round" concept are especially known among modern Evangelicals. Later on in the article it states that opponents of wreckovation charge that it "produce[s] results that look more like Protestant churches".
- I had a similar concern about the proto-protestantism article and attempted to move it to the non-POV term "Pre-Reformation movements" but was overruled and had to move it back. The difficulty with the term is that you end up calling bona-fide Catholics who identified as Catholic and were recognized by Rome as Proto-Protestants. The difficulty is that Crypto-Protestant and Romanizing are both charged words that are still used as pejoratives today. Yet it is impossible to describe the denominational landscape and church history without discussing them.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 05:05, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Personal Ordinariates
[edit]Should the Personal Ordinariates for Former Anglicans be included? Anglo Catholics are included and the Personal Ordinariates are derived from Anglican traditions after all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.62.199.74 (talk) 20:23, 3 March 2021 (UTC)