Template talk:Infobox German place

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False wikilink at the mayor-parameter

There is a wrong wiki-link at this parameter. It leads to Lord mayor.

It should lead to Mayor because this is suitable for 95% of all cases. Lord mayor is only useful for commonwealth-cities. Bildersindtoll (talk) 10:55, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Bildersindtoll, The template links mayor to Burgomaster by default (see Abensberg as an example). The link is overrode by using a different title in |leader_title=. You didn't give an example. Perhaps the problem you saw is an article using the wrong value for |leader_title=? MB 16:19, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your answer. The example is Magdeburg but i can't find this parameter. --Bildersindtoll (talk) 20:16, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Bildersindtoll, That article is using the German alias |Bürgermeistertitel=Oberbürgermeister which causes the display of Lord Mayor which links to Lord Mayor. If you take that line out, the display will be Mayor and will link to Burgomaster. It looks like none of this is really documented. MB 20:26, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh ok, but why is the link leading to Burgomaster? I would say that Mayor would make way more sense? --Bildersindtoll (talk) 19:37, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bildersindtoll, If you specify for the mayor title:

<nothing>, Mayor, Burgomaster, Bürgermeister, Bürgermeisterin, Ortsbürgermeister, or Ortsbürgermeisterin, it displays Mayor and links to Burgomaster
Lord Mayor, Oberbürgermeister, or Oberbürgermeisterin, it displays Lord mayor and links to Lord mayor
Ortsvorsteher or Ortsvorsteherin, it displays Local representive, which is not linked
Samtgemeindebürgermeister or Samtgemeindebürgermeisterin, it displays Samtgemeinde-bürgermeisterin and links to Bürgermeister (which redirects to Burgomaster

As to why Burgomaster instead of Mayor, probably because something thought Mayor is more general/worldwide while Burgomaster is more specific to Europe. If you think any of these links should be changed, I would suggest trying to get some more input to see if there is a consensus to make changes. I would ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Germany for comments here. MB 22:23, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, i would say that Burgomaster isn't a common thing in europe. I'm from germany and also in our neighboring countries "Mayor" is mostly typical. Burgomaster looks like a historical term except maybe in the netherlands and belgium. It would be great if you can ask for a change. Bildersindtoll (talk) 16:48, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I asked over there for additional feedback. Let's give it at least a few days. MB 22:21, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was summoned by the post to the Germany project talk page. To my German ears (and after reading plenty of English texts about Germany) "burgomaster" signifies a medieval or certainly pre-Napoleonic (pre-1800) position. I would suggest to link to "mayor" and to redirect "Bürgermeister" to "mayor", as that is overwhelmingly more common in modern English literature about German cities and their mayors. —Kusma (talk) 15:42, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jonesey95, can you change this change? MB 15:15, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A description of the exact change, or a modification of the sandbox, would be helpful. Also pinging frequent template editors Markussep and Bermicourt for opinions, since they know more German than I do. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:21, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
From:

:*::leader_title = {{#switch: {{{Bürgermeistertitel}}} :*:: | Mayor | Bürgermeister | [[Bürgermeister]] | Bürgermeisterin | [[Bürgermeisterin]] | Ortsbürgermeister | Ortsbürgermeisterin = [[Burgomaster|Mayor]] :*::

To:

:*::leader_title = {{#switch: {{{Bürgermeistertitel}}} :*:: | Mayor | Bürgermeister | [[Bürgermeister]] | Bürgermeisterin | [[Bürgermeisterin]] | Ortsbürgermeister | Ortsbürgermeisterin = [[Mayor]] :*:: MB 17:21, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that linking to "mayor" is better than to "burgomaster", which sounds very archaic to me. So I support the change as posted by MB right above here. Markussep ^Talk 18:09, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This request is Done. The default and "Mayor" link in |Bürgermeistertitel= should now point to Mayor. Affected pages may require a purge to display properly. Ping me if there are any errors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First, thank you for all your work! I'm not very experienced and it would be great if you can help me a last time. It's a about the Magdeburg page. The infobox is called "German location" not "German place" maybe this is the fault. If i replace it, nothing happens. The change of the specifiv "mayor parameter" (to Bürgermeistertitel or mayor) also leads to no change. I'm confused. (: --Bildersindtoll (talk) 20:19, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think the documentation for this template (do a Find on the page for "Bürgermeistertitel") explains it pretty well, unless it has not been updated. In that article, Bürgermeistertitel= Oberbürgermeister is in the infobox, which makes the title appear as "Lord Mayor". Here's the whole code for that switch statement:

{{#switch: {{{Bürgermeistertitel}}}
  | Mayor | Bürgermeister | [[Bürgermeister]] | Bürgermeisterin | [[Bürgermeisterin]] | Ortsbürgermeister | Ortsbürgermeisterin = [[Mayor]]
  | Lord mayor | Lord Mayor | [[Lord Mayor]] | Oberbürgermeister | [[Oberbürgermeister]] | Oberbürgermeisterin | [[Oberbürgermeisterin]] = [[Lord mayor]]
  | Ortsvorsteher | [[Ortsvorsteher]] | Ortsvorsteherin | [[Ortsvorsteherin]] = Local representative
  | Samtgemeindebürgermeister = [[Bürgermeister|Samtgemeinde-<br />bürgermeister]]
  | Samtgemeindebürgermeisterin = [[Bürgermeister|Samtgemeinde-<br />bürgermeisterin]]
  | #default = {{#ifexist: {{{Bürgermeistertitel}}} | [[{{{Bürgermeistertitel}}}]] | {{#if: {{{Bürgermeistertitel|}}} | {{{Bürgermeistertitel}}} | [[Mayor]] }} }} }} {{<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>#if: {{{leader_term|}}} | {{nobold|({{{leader_term}}}) }}

That's a lot of code, but basically it lists a bunch of possible values for |Bürgermeistertitel=. After each group of values, there is an = sign and then the result that is shown when |Bürgermeistertitel= matches anything in that group. So if you enter |Bürgermeistertitel=Ortsvorsteherin, it will show "Local representative" for the title. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:54, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bildersindtoll, do I understand correctly that you want the infobox at Magdeburg to show "Lady mayor"? In that case (and if no-one objects) we need to change the switch values accordingly. Markussep ^Talk 07:52, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My request is resp. was: Instead of Lord Mayor --> Mayor should be displayed and linked at the infobox. This is necessary because only Mayor is the suitable term and all the others are historical. Thanks again for your effort. --Bildersindtoll (talk) 20:47, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Currently "Lord mayor" is used to distinguish "Oberbürgermeister" from "Bürgermeister" (mayor). Do you have a suggestion how we could distinguish between these otherwise? Markussep ^Talk 21:07, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Due to the fact that "Lord Mayor" has no historical and no currently relevance in germany i would say, that this distinguish is not necessary. Burgomaster has only a historical relevance in some northern parts of germany. The Titel "Bürgermeister" is pretty insignificant in germany, because this is only a title for a person which representatives a district or person which receives tasks from the "Oberbürgermeister" (Mayor). The only important titel resp. term is therefore "Oberbügermeister" = "Mayor" And Mayor should be shown at the infobox. --Bildersindtoll (talk) 21:35, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The link to Burgomaster (as a redirect from Bürgermeister) was already replaced in September, I found out yesterday that the entry "Samtgemeindebürgermeister" still linked to Burgomaster, so I changed that to Mayor. What you say about Oberbürgermeister and Bürgermeister is true for some of the largest cities (where you have 1st, 2nd and 3rd Bürgermeister, probably equivalent to English deputy mayors), but not for most mid size and small towns and municipalities, where the Bürgermeister is the highest elected representative. Obviously "Lord mayor" is not a German term, but the literal translations "Upper mayor" or "High mayor" sound silly to me. Markussep ^Talk 08:09, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You're right that the most mid size and small towns and municipalities has a "Bürgermeister". But i would say that's not the problem. I think the problem is still, that "Lord Mayor" is shown in the infobox. As you say, "Lord Mayor" is not a German term and has nothing to do with "Upper" or "Higher" Mayor. I would say that the best and logical solution is "Mayor" for both terms - "Oberbürgermeister" and "Bürgermeister".--Bildersindtoll (talk) 12:11, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thanks to all of you! I got it. If i change the last parameter "Bürgermeistertitel" into "Mayor" the infobox shows and links to Mayor :)

Undiscussed change

Markussep: This undiscussed change has changed the case where the |Bürgermeistertitel= parameter is set to [[Bürgermeister]]. Before today, that value linked to Mayor, but now it links to Burgomaster. Is that intentional? See this test case for the difference. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:24, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I checked whether there were any articles that used the parameter value [[Bürgermeister]], and there aren't any in Article namespace, but clearly there is one in Template namespace: the testcases page. I've unlinked it now, if someone should add a linked Bürgermeister to the Bürgermeistertitel parameter it will show up in the parameter report I check regularly. Markussep ^Talk 18:50, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

4 ruling parties

In Frankfurt we have 4 ruling parties. The template shows only 3 of them. Is there a way to handle that issue? --Nasiwin (talk) 11:43, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bonn also has 4 ruling parties. The workaround chosen there was to fill in two parties in the 3rd ruling party field: |ruling_party3 = [[The Left (Germany)|Left]] / [[Volt Europa|Volt]] It's not perfect, but it works. Markussep ^Talk 18:34, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Smurrayinchester just added the option to add a 4th and 5th party (thanks!), so the workaround is no longer needed. Markussep ^Talk 20:04, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

how exactly image_plan is supposed to work to get infobox mapframe?

The documentation is unclear, how does one activate a standard mapframe on a location that doesn't have a specific image file? --Joy (talk) 14:21, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Remove |image_plan= from the infobox in the article. You can test this at Aalen. Remove |image_plan= and its value without saving the article, and click Preview. You will see a mapframe map if you click "[show]". – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:36, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, it's an either-or situation, I see now, thanks. Can we make it possible to see both? Sometimes the prepared map is nice, but sometimes the maplink zoom out function is also nice to better see context. --Joy (talk) 19:14, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I expect that it is possible, but I am not willing to try to figure out the code to make it work. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the syntax is horrendous, looks like nobody made an effort to use better indentation. --Joy (talk) 10:24, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pages using infobox settlement with bad settlement type

Hi everyone, the way this infobox is formatted is giving the Category:Pages using infobox settlement with bad settlement type error on some pages (see, for example, Hellersdorf), and I'm not sure how to fix it. Thanks so much! HeyElliott (talk) 18:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm puzzled by this error, I can't see why Hellersdorf would be categorized as using a bad settlement type, when Pillnitz, which uses the same parameters (type = Quarter, City = Dresden), isn't. Markussep ^Talk 12:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did some troubleshooting, and I found that if I changed |state= to blank, or anything aside from "Berlin", the error category went away. I don't know if that is a problem with the article or with the settlement short description module. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:47, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense, then it should be the same problem for places in Hamburg, where state and city are also the same. And it is, see e.g. Eidelstedt. Markussep ^Talk 21:14, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mapframe expand default

I think that in line with MOS:DONTHIDE, the inital state of mapframe should be expanded (add |expanded=true to {{hidden}}. Thoughts? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:44, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking

As per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking#What generally should not be linked the current link to Germany should be unlinked. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 18:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]