Template talk:INRConvert/Archive 1

Indent and bullets formatting

The {{INRConvert}} template automatically returns values to a new line when used within idented paragraphs or bulletted or numbered entries. Below is an example of the bug in action:

This bug should return the INRConvert value in the same line as this bulletted paragraph ₹50 (60¢ US) and not on the next line.

Any suggestions on how to solve this are welcome. AreJay (talk) 20:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Issue was because of line-breaking spaces. Has since been resolved AreJay (talk) 18:21, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Semiprotection

Template is protected from anonymous editing. =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Paise

Another small glitch. Entering a paise value in rupee terms. 0.05 rupees should be rendered as 5 paise. =Nichalp «Talk»= 14:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Thanks AreJay (talk) 17:06, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bloomberg copyright violation?

Bloomberg's currency conversion information is copyrighted and usage, unless separately licensed from Bloomberg, is covered by their terms of service (TOS). Section 3 of the TOS, "Restrictions on Use" say (in part) that:

"...THE SERVICE AND THE INFORMATION CONTAINED THEREIN MAY NOT BE USED TO CONSTRUCT A DATABASE OF ANY KIND. NOR MAY THE SERVICE BE STORED (IN ITS ENTIRETY OR IN ANY PART) IN DATABASES FOR ACCESS BY YOU OR ANY THIRD PARTY OR TO DISTRIBUTE ANY DATABASE SERVICES CONTAINING ALL OR PART OF THE SERVICE. YOU MAY NOT USE THE SERVICE IN ANY WAY TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF ANY DATA SOLD OR CONTRIBUTED BY YOU TO ANY THIRD PARTY. ..."

This template's use of the Bloomberg currency conversion information appears to be in violation both of Bloomberg's TOS and of Wikipedia's requirement for information to be released under the GFDL. Mwarren us (talk) 18:05, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a lawyer, but there are a couple of points that I think should be clarified. First, we aren't storing information, either in part or whole. We reference their values, but don't actually store them. The rates that exist in the template are "inverse rates", for lack of a better term. There appears to be no mention on in the copyright disclaimer preventing the use of "processed" data. Second, if this is, in fact, an issue, I'm concerned about how this impacts the larger issue on Wikipedia where we routinely source our currency conversions from Bloomberg and other sources. Is there a larger copyright issue here? Third, if we do want to explore using data from other agencies, there are several government-based agencies that publish foreign exchange rate conversions, such as the Reserve Bank of India, India's central banking authority or the Federal Reserve. I don't mind doing this, but I would want some clarifications on the two points above before changing data as it currently stands. Thanks AreJay (talk) 18:42, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a lawyer either (perhaps other Wikipedians have discussed this elsewhere and enlisted a lawyer?) and I am glad to hear that alternate, possibly free sources are available for the conversion information. With the concerns above in mind, I re-read Bloomberg's TOS and three of the sentences in Section 3 of the TOS still appear problematic for this template (and perhaps in other places in Wikipedia):

YOU MAY NOT COPY, REPRODUCE, RECOMPILE, DECOMPILE, DISASSEMBLE, REVERSE ENGINEER, DISTRIBUTE, PUBLISH, DISPLAY, PERFORM, MODIFY, UPLOAD TO, CREATE DERIVATIVE WORKS FROM, TRANSMIT, OR IN ANY WAY EXPLOIT ANY PART OF THE SERVICE, EXCEPT THAT YOU MAY DOWNLOAD MATERIAL FROM THE SERVICE AND/OR MAKE ONE PRINT COPY FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL, NONCOMMERCIAL USE, PROVIDED THAT YOU RETAIN ALL COPYRIGHT AND OTHER PROPRIETARY NOTICES.

The phrase "CREATE DERIVATIVE WORKS FROM" seems to cover, and prohibit, display of "processed" data. The template also seems to "DISTRIBUTE, PUBLISH, DISPLAY" part of the service (currency conversion) for purposes other than personal, non-commercial use (e.g. the template shows data for public display in Wikipedia).

ADDITIONALLY, YOU MAY NOT OFFER ANY PART OF THE SERVICE FOR SALE OR DISTRIBUTE IT OVER ANY OTHER MEDIUM INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO OVER-THE-AIR TELEVISION OR RADIO BROADCAST, A COMPUTER NETWORK OR HYPERLINK FRAMING ON THE INTERNET WITHOUT THE PRIOR WRITTEN CONSENT OF BLP.

The template does re-distribute some of Bloomberg's information (the currency conversion rate) on a computer network.

YOU MAY NOT USE THE SERVICE IN ANY WAY TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF ANY DATA SOLD OR CONTRIBUTED BY YOU TO ANY THIRD PARTY.

This templates' use of Bloomberg's data does, IMHO, "IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF ... DATA" offered by Wikipedia.

While Bloomberg's TOS does have contact information where Wikipedia could ask for permissions, I suspect that folks will gravitate to the (probably) free information from government sources. --Mwarren us (talk) 00:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well...that makes things pretty clear :) I just thought the language in the ToS was amusing...they've thrown in every conceivable verb that I can think of in there. But they work hard to come up with the data and they don't want someone misusing it, so fair enough. I'll go ahead and change the values in the template. There's some ambiguity over whether Indian government related content is public domain (the last discussion on Wikipedia I think ended with a "no" on this issue). We'll have to use data from the Fed, which I know is public domain, by virtue of the Fed being part of the US government. I'll try to make the changes tomorrow, if not later this evening. Thanks AreJay (talk) 03:07, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid there is no case here. Currency conversion is classified as "information". Information cannot be copyrighted. A rupee-dollar conversion value constitutes as public information that is not the intellectual property of Bloomberg or any other organization. So, such numbers can never be copyrighted, trademarked or patented. Claiming copyright on currency values is as ludicrous as claiming copyright on today's temperature. =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:05, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Very valid point that I should have considered. Bloomberg does not "own" day-to-day currency trade information and can therefore not claim copyright over it. So the question of copyrighting currency data does not even arise. Nevertheless, we can retain the Federal Reserve reported data, given the status of that organization in the grand scheme of things in the US. Datawise, there isn't any big difference b/w Bloomberg and the Fed. Both report daily rates and FRB New York sponsors the Foreign Exchange Committee, which publishes guidelines on foreign exchange trading in the US. AreJay (talk) 05:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Federal Reserve Board

I don't know whether you saw this, but,

Effective January 1, 2009, the Federal Reserve Board is discontinuing publication of the H.10 Daily Update, which provides U.S. dollar exchange rates against other currencies certified for customs purposes by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and summary measures of the foreign exchange value of the dollar.[1]

-- Suntag ☼ 13:43, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Symbol/sign

It would be great idea to add new Rupee sign ie. instead of Rs. KuwarOnline ^Talk 05:31, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree... the template {{INR}} prints this directly -> ₹ . Virtualage (talk) 12:36, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rupee Symbol

Should the output be showing the Rupee symbol as depicted by {{INR}} -> ₹? Virtualage (talk) 12:38, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from 69.25.174.143, 29 October 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Using the INRRequest function inserts a space between the rupee symbol and the numerals. For example - ₹86,720 crore (US$10.4 billion) puts a space between the rupee symbol and 86720. This is not the standard format for displaying currencies (The same INR convert statement above displays the $ symbol properly - with no space). Please rectify this.

69.25.174.143 (talk) 22:21, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done Hopefully I didn't break anything. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 23:51, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Crore linking

Would anyone mind editing the template code to include wikilinks to crore? Many people do not understand the concept of a crore, and need further reading. Thanks. Ω phois 17:47, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]