Template talk:Did you know nominations/Pilgrims' Cross, Holcombe Moor

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... that the 6-ton (6.1-tonne) Pilgrims' Cross (pictured), high on Holcombe Moor, England, was dragged up there with difficulty by 14 horses? [2024-02-02 at 17:18:09, by AirshipJungleman29]
... that the 6-ton (6.1-tonne) Pilgrims' Cross (pictured) was dragged up with difficulty by 14 horses onto Holcombe Moor? [2024-02-02 at 17:55:06, by AirshipJungleman29]
~~... that the 6-ton (6.1-tonne) Pilgrims' Cross (pictured) was dragged up onto Holcombe Moor by 14 horses with difficulty?~~ [2024-02-02 at 17:55:52, by AirshipJungleman29]

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 18:25, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(1) There is a problem with the third version above, so I have struck it out. Because English does not have variations of word endings for clarification of meaning (like Latin, German, French, for instance), we have to use syntax to clarify meaning. Due to syntax in the third version above, we read 14 disabled horses, which is not the case. The difficulty applies to the dragging, not the horses. .

(2) There is a problem with the second version in that its interest is weakened by the removal of the word, "high". That word puts a picture in your head to explain the nature of the difficulty. "Moor" on its own does not imply height to people who do not know the area, and we are supposed to provide hooks for people who don't know nothin' about the subject. So nope.

(3) That leaves the first version. I accept the change in how the weight is expressed. That is fine. So please revert to the first version, above. Storye book (talk) 10:27, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AirshipJungleman29: pinging just in case you hadn't seen the above. -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:36, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the 6-ton (6.1-tonne) Pilgrims' Cross (pictured), high on Holcombe Moor, England, was dragged up there with difficulty by 14 horses? [2024-02-05 at 02:38:59, by Ganesha811]
... that the 6-ton (6.1-tonne) Pilgrims' Cross (pictured), high on Holcombe Moor, England, was dragged there with difficulty by 14 horses? [2024-02-05 at 02:46:22, by Ganesha811]

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:25, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ganesha811: There seems to be a need for trimming hooks just for the sake of it here, even if the trimming changes the meaning? I disagree with the last hook above, from which "up" has been removed. The words "high" and "up" are the main point of interest in the hook. Without "up" one is given to understand that the horses dragged the heavy stone along a high plateau, i.e. along level ground from quarry to present site. But that was not the reason for the word "dragged" or for the large number of horses. The reason for "dragged" and "14 horses" was the very steep upward incline. The reinstatement of "up" would only bring the character count up to 126 - hardly a candidate for trimming for trimming's sake. Please reinstate "up" asap. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 10:43, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I felt 'up' was redundant, but given your views, I'm happy to revert the change. —Ganesha811 (talk) 12:47, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Ganesha811. Much appreciated. Storye book (talk) 16:58, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]