Template talk:Did you know/Suicide by hanging
Suicide by hanging
[edit]- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know, unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: rejected by The Cavalry (Message me)
- ... that when attempting a suicide by drop hanging, it is recommended to use manila or hemp rope, that the rope be more than an inch thick, and that the knot be close to the chin?
Created/expanded by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 23:28, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
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- Copyvio: --Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:27, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
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- The hook is composed as information for would-be suicides. The article duplicates this failing in places which raise questions about its neutrality. No apparent copyvio or plagiarism. Close paraphasing probably veers on just the right side by giving credit to the paraphrased authors. Length and age are OK and there are no major prose problems. One of the sources used extensively for statistics is the original unedited text of a book that does not appear to have been peer-reviewed; I doubt this can be classified as a reliable source for a sensitive subject such as this. The third paragraph deals chiefly with judicial hanging rather than the article's subject. Some statements are incorrectly adapted from the sources (for example: can Hooff writes that hanging is the most common suicide method in pre-industrial societies, this is not the same as "until the Industrial Revolution"). Yomanganitalk 00:39, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- I've done some fixes. There ia a thread here that discusses the reliability of Stone's book, but it only had one respondent. Another complication is that a slightly different version is available on Stone's website, which is what I'm using as a source. Let me know what you think. I included the judicial side of drop hanging to give some background info (Stone also discusses it). In particular the part about weights and lengths may be relevant. I don't know what you mean by "The article duplicates this failing in places which raise questions about its neutrality". Christopher Connor (talk) 15:24, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- Really? We want to tell people how to hang themselves on the front page? I know we're not censored but come on guys! PanydThe muffin is not subtle 21:19, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed.
Completely unacceptable hook. Borderline inappropriate as an article: the topic is fine, but we're not supposed to be writing a how-to guide. The Cavalry (Message me) 21:46, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed.
- Really? We want to tell people how to hang themselves on the front page? I know we're not censored but come on guys! PanydThe muffin is not subtle 21:19, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- I've done some fixes. There ia a thread here that discusses the reliability of Stone's book, but it only had one respondent. Another complication is that a slightly different version is available on Stone's website, which is what I'm using as a source. Let me know what you think. I included the judicial side of drop hanging to give some background info (Stone also discusses it). In particular the part about weights and lengths may be relevant. I don't know what you mean by "The article duplicates this failing in places which raise questions about its neutrality". Christopher Connor (talk) 15:24, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
