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Ontario Highway 7A

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk)

... that the causeways over Lake Scugog on Ontario Highway 7A took over a century of construction to reach their present state (original 1856 floating bridge pictured)?

Chosen Alt ... that the causeways over Lake Scugog along Ontario Highway 7A were constructed over a floating bridge (pictured) built in 1856? - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 23:40, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewed: Scutellaria floridana ([1])
Comment: hook could use some work methinks, but this is a start at least

5x expanded by Floydian (talk). Self nom at 02:29, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please add a comment and signature (or just a signature if endorsing) after each aspect you have reviewed:

Hook

Length, format, content rules: Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Interest: Not bad, but since we have that picture I've suggested an ALT. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Image suitability: Surprisingly OK at that tiny size. Tony (talk) 03:53, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
ALT hooks, if proposed:

ALT1: ... that the causeways over Lake Scugog on Ontario Highway 7A were developed on an 1856 construction (pictured)?

Article

Length: Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Vintage: Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sourcing (V, RS, BLP): A couple problems:

"Following this, Highway 7A was truncated at Highway 115 near Cavan, taking on its current routing." - Uncited Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Erm... This isn't a GA review. I'm having one done with this article elsewhere though if you'd like to make sure every statement in the article is sourced (more like an FA requirement)). However, even though not every single sentence in the entire article needs a source for a DYK hook, this is sourced if you examine it closely. I don't specify a year because I don't have a source stating when, but a present day map suffices in explaining that "Following this" (in other words "since then" or "today") "the highway has been shortened and now ends near Cavan". Google maps will even verify this (though they aren't reliable all that often from my experience... apparently a dirt road in Simcoe County is part of the Trans-Canada Highway!). - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 23:41, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I know this isn't GA, but one of the consensuses we have reached over the years is no uncited material except for a few exceptions, especially plot. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:57, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction to history section is uncited. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thats the thing about introductions. Just like the lead, they summarize or prepare you for what is ahead. Every statement in it should be repeated and sourced elsewhere within the History section. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 23:41, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Very well. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:57, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality: Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Plagiarism/close paraphrasing: Seems to require some cleanup, such as "to strike out the magnificent $150" (which is not encyclopedic, btw.) Crisco 1492 (talk)12:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is a completely rediculous claim. 75% of those are a word or two where the context is completely different around those words, or are proper nouns or terms that obviously should remain as is. The only parts that I have legitimately paraphrased, I have paraphrased as a complete quotation, from the 19th century. This is perfectly acceptable, it is a very real and important part of the story, and I will not be changing it. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 23:40, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, I had forgotten that the Duplication checker doesn't show the quotation marks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:57, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio: Multichill's images don't have any camera data, but since they are (for some reason) .png, I am not surprised. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I uploaded the image. Its from the website it (as well as much of the article) is sourced to. The camera data wouldn't be of much use really given the quality of the original image. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 23:40, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Obvious faults in prose, structure, formatting:

Comments/discussion:

Not yet, due to sourcing and possible close paraphrasing. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As for the alt hook, while I agree with the idea of highlighting the picture (only should the picture appear on DYK?), I think a better approach would be:

Alt 2 ... that the causeways over Lake Scugog on Ontario Highway 7A were constructed over a floating bridge (pictured) built in 1856? - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 23:40, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 is nice, no paraphrasing issues (sorry about that). Just one uncited sentence and then we are good to go. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:57, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 22:51, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good to go. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:40, 10 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]