Template talk:Detroit Negro league baseball
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I'm not 100% sold on this template, per WP:TEMPLATECREEP, but whatever. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 23:47, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Bison X: Every defunct MLB team has a template. E.g., Template:Cleveland Spiders, Template:Louisville Colonels. Why should Negro league teams not have the same level of coverage? In this case, I combined the Stars, Wolves, and Clowns into a single "Detroit Negro league" template in order to provide all the relevant information in a single template. I realize that you have contributed mightily to Wikipedia's coverage of the Negro leagues and welcome suggestions/discussion about this template and my recent effort to roll out season articles on significant Negro league teams. Cbl62 (talk) 15:48, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- Those defunct MLB teams have a decade or so of history under their belt. Those templates have quite a lot of significant info (seasons, championships, Cy Young, managers, etc.) This template doesn't really add much for Detroit teams, 4 of which are the same team(!). I don't think combining teams because of the city really works, and for these teams the seasons and venues could be listed in the see also. The HoFers aren't really associated with a specific team, other than maybe Turkey Stearns. I just don't believe there is enough info to necessitate a template at this time that couldn't be accommodated in the see also. Other than maybe the Monarchs, American Giants and a few others, some teams might not call for a template. OTOH, I am pleased with the season articles and look forward to seeing more (these should also be linked to in the year-in-baseball articles). Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 00:27, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- I hear what you're saying on extending the template beyond just the Detroit Stars. The original Stars have more than a decade and would warrant a template on their own. Including the Wolves seemed natural as they were the Negro league team established for Detroit following the collapse of the NNL. I'm less wed to the including the post-WWII teams, but figured it was useful for navigational purposes to cover the city's complete Negro league history. As for the HOFers, I understand your point (though Andy Cooper was closely associated with the Stars as well). I'd be inclined to delete the HOFers from the template altogether but would prefer to do so after we've built out list articles on the Stars players and managers which could then be linked in the template. I plan to return to Negro league season articles at some point. Cbl62 (talk) 01:02, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Sounds good. It's nice to see someone else working on these articles. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 03:44, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- I hear what you're saying on extending the template beyond just the Detroit Stars. The original Stars have more than a decade and would warrant a template on their own. Including the Wolves seemed natural as they were the Negro league team established for Detroit following the collapse of the NNL. I'm less wed to the including the post-WWII teams, but figured it was useful for navigational purposes to cover the city's complete Negro league history. As for the HOFers, I understand your point (though Andy Cooper was closely associated with the Stars as well). I'd be inclined to delete the HOFers from the template altogether but would prefer to do so after we've built out list articles on the Stars players and managers which could then be linked in the template. I plan to return to Negro league season articles at some point. Cbl62 (talk) 01:02, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Those defunct MLB teams have a decade or so of history under their belt. Those templates have quite a lot of significant info (seasons, championships, Cy Young, managers, etc.) This template doesn't really add much for Detroit teams, 4 of which are the same team(!). I don't think combining teams because of the city really works, and for these teams the seasons and venues could be listed in the see also. The HoFers aren't really associated with a specific team, other than maybe Turkey Stearns. I just don't believe there is enough info to necessitate a template at this time that couldn't be accommodated in the see also. Other than maybe the Monarchs, American Giants and a few others, some teams might not call for a template. OTOH, I am pleased with the season articles and look forward to seeing more (these should also be linked to in the year-in-baseball articles). Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 00:27, 16 September 2020 (UTC)