Template talk:Demis Roussos

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Years

This template is a vertical mess. Any reason that we're splitting this by year, rather than a simple chronology in a single group, like practically every other musical artist navbox? --wooden superman 11:18, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Because I thought that my original version didn't look good and too cluttered: [1]. I tried to use it and I think it is much better as it is now. I would have divided it by albums, but it wouldn't be chronological then. --Moscow Connection (talk) 11:26, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- It shouldn't be divided at all. A single group with a single chronology is the best way to present this to the readers. This is the usual standard, and there is no reason to deviate from this here. --wooden superman 11:27, November 2017 (UTC)
  - I don't think it is the usual standard, see Template:Taylor Swift songs and countless other templates.
    By the way, Demis Roussos is not a group. --Moscow Connection (talk) 11:30, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - I could point you to a thousand navboxes where we don't split, so showing me one example where it has been split is irrelevant (and WP:OTHERSTUFF). Also, the navbox you point out is for her songs/singles only, so it's not even the same type. There is no justification for splitting them out here. It makes the navbox too vertical and messy. Please revert to a single group. --wooden superman 11:39, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - I can divide the template by albums cause it what seems to be the usual standard. Let's ask Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars's opinion. --Moscow Connection (talk) 11:35, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - Dividing the template by albums is also bad practice. There's no need for it. --wooden superman 11:39, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      - See templates like Template:Justin Bieber songs, Template:Michael Jackson songs and so on. I personally think it is good practice. Cause they are easier to read like that.
        And I can make a separate template for songs if you like. --Moscow Connection (talk) 11:46, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        No, please don't do that. There is no justification for that here, as there aren't that many songs, and they are usually merged to the broader template anyway. --wooden superman 11:52, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        
        See Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2010 November 24#Template:Lionel Richie singles as an example. There are many others. --wooden superman 11:54, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        
        Or Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 March 10#Template:Adele_songs --wooden superman 11:58, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        As I can see, Primefac and Plastikspork voted for the version that had her songs divided by albums. And then you came and changed it as you wanted: [2]. I've also noticed some messages on you talk page. Some people think that what you do is disruptive. So you can't say everyone agrees with you. --Moscow Connection (talk) 12:08, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        One might draw the same conclusion from reading the comments on your talk page too. --wooden superman 12:44, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, no-one else has joined the conversation. The fact remains that this navbox is a horrible mess and we need to do something about the singles section. We do not need navboxes this vertical. There is no justification to split them out by year. A single group with a single chronology is needed. Oh and the Aphrodite's child singles need to be removed, as they are dealt with at {{Aphrodite's Child}}. We don't include The Police singles at {{Sting}}, so the same logic should be applied here. --wooden superman 14:43, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Oh and the Aphrodite's child singles need to be removed, as they are dealt with at {{Aphrodite's Child}}."
— The people who compiled his compilations disagree with you. I guess they know better. --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:54, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't about what is on a compilation album, it's about how we navigate Wikipedia, and how to avoid over-proliferation of navboxes, as over-proliferation hinders navigation. Note that they are not included at {{Vangelis}}. --wooden superman 15:00, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I have an argument that will satisfy you. (I'm doing this simply because I don't want to waste time arguing.)
He covered the songs solo. He even released these particular songs as singles. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:16, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If that's the case, then it should be in the singles chronology at the point he released them as singles. Which would be 1987 if the articles are correct. Can we sort out the ridiculous number of groups now? --wooden superman 15:22, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The people who compiled his compilations thought that the original singles were part of his discography: Forever and Ever – Definitive Collection, Collected (Demis Roussos album), The Phenomenon 1968–1998. I disagree to remove them and I disagree to change the chronology.
Let's give it some more time. Maybe someone will come. You can also request a third opinion. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:34, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This has nothing to do with what people who released a compilation for commercial gain think. There are separate navboxes for each artist, so the singles should be divided accordingly. And the navbox must be improved and reduced to a single group for the singles chronology. It is an absolute disgrace as it stands, and you have given no justification as to why a split is necessary. We have multiple subgroups with only one entry, which is not acceptable, and it isn't even common practice to show the years, let alone break a navbox down by years. --wooden superman 15:39, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop doing this. Read WP:BRD. --Moscow Connection (talk) 07:40, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Right, I've taken it to WP:3O. I'm sure that This verison will prevail. --wooden superman 09:03, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

3O Response: I see no reason to list the singles by year. Navboxes are meant to aid in navigation and are already cumbersome enough to not be included on mobile versions. Expanding it further to convey information that is rather unnecessary seems to go against the spirit of navboxes. As such, I believe the current version should stand. Nihlus 01:47, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]