Template talk:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment/Archive 1

Archive 1

Multiple assignments

Is there any option to combine multiple assignments tags? That option is particularly needed for Talk:Dakota Access Pipeline where are currently five banners of different assignements. Beagel (talk) 22:42, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Beagel, not sure if there's an "official" method but one could potentially group and nest them within {{collapse top}}, {{collapse}} or others listed in the See also section of those two templates. Maybe would also want to set color so it matches those of other talk templates. It's a hack but works for the time being. -- dsprc ^[talk] 18:26, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Are assignment banners meant to remain a permanent part of a given article talk page, even if the related courses have long since ended? IMHO, they seriously lack relevance towards the article itself at that point, compared to the banner templates usually found on talk pages (article-specific information, project class ratings, etc.). Zeyes (talk) 00:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

I second the request for some means to consolidate multiple assignments. Talk:Black Lives Matter has five of these banners. There should be a way to (1) stack them within a single template and (2) hide all the inactive assignments (with a "Show" button so readers can find the information easily). — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 03:26, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

As the template is lacking a |date= to display the date, it will eventually cause increasing confusion for other editors about what is currently under assignment. I suggest that old templates should be archived to the top of the first archive page of each article talk, where they can be easily found by anyone wanting to look back on the 16,000+ out-of-date uses of this template. --RexxS (talk) 15:39, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

@Malik Shabazz and RexxS: The template contains |start_date=, |end_date= and |term= which can contain dates or date indicators. Stacking of templates is available at {{WikiEd banner shell}}. Have another look at Talk:Dakota Access Pipeline or Talk:Black Lives Matter. What I usually do, is collapse the old, completed courses, and leave the current one(s), if any, outside of the collapse box. Mathglot (talk) 09:53, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

@Mathglot: I'm pleased that date indicators have been added to the template since my last comment, and if editors are diligent in filling those in, it will fix most of the concerns that have been expressed for future uses of the template. However, that still leaves all of the templates placed before November 2018, unless someone is going through them adding dates. Perhaps we should add a tracking category to the template to identify how many templates are in place without date parameters? --RexxS (talk) 22:48, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

@RexxS: No doubt new student editors *wouldn't* fill them in, but my understanding is that those "assignment" templates are auto-generated from the wiki ed dashboard, by some kind of automated, or semi-automated process. Shalor (Wiki Ed) may be able to clear up that point, of how the templates are add to Talk pages, and where the date params come from.

If you consider a tracking category, please keep the following in mind: as old templates slowly accumulate and age, in a few cases (those on my watchlist) I've been replacing start_ and end_date with |term=. The "term" field tends to have values like, "Spring 2017", and I find these can be assimilated more rapidly by the brain; only one field instead of two, and who cares about exact dates from past years, anyway? But there's no particular guidance about this. However, given the next bit below, maybe I should quit doing that. Archiving them seems fine by me, although the banner collapse solves the vertical column-inch problem on current pages that use it, no matter how many of them there are.

On another front: I'm (slightly) offended by the "is or was" in the boilerplate text, when we know damn well in almost all cases whether it should be "is", or "was". I decided to do something about that, but haven't moved forward with it officially. You can see those efforts here. Maybe it's more effort than it's worth, and maybe it's all just a little streak of perfectionism-cum-ocd which just makes me retch at "is or was", but there ya go. Mathglot (talk) 23:18, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

• Hi! Mathglot is correct in that they would be automatically added by the Dashboard. I'll notify one of my colleagues of this discussion since they do most of the template work as far as I know. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:40, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

The dates are now done automatically by the Dashboard; they come from the start and end dates of the course, so they should be largely accurate and consistent. I'd love to get proper is/was support added; that was something I had in mind as a TODO eventually, but I haven't had time to work on it.--Sage (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:10, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Is/was support is now live, as mentioned at the WP:ENB, with the addition of a new, |ended= parameter. However, AntiCompositeNumber whipped up something *much* better, which is in the Edit request below. Mathglot (talk) 19:43, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 24 December 2019

Please add a see also section that links to a related Template:Educational assignment. TIA. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:17, 24 December 2019 (UTC) _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:17, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done for now: you should be able to edit the documentation yourself, as it isn't protected. Please try - Special:Edit/Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org_assignment/doc. If I misunderstood the edit request, please reopen and ping me. Thanks, -- DannyS712 (talk) 08:22, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

We need support for outreach dashboard

Which is a different link and is not really supported by Wiki Edu, so it needs a separate template. See my comment at Template talk:Educational assignment.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:18, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Ping User:Sage Ross (WMF). Maybe you can get things moving? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:07, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

User:Piotrus: Can you clarify what the problem is? I thought the `wmfdashboard` interwiki prefix solved the problem you were having. --Sage (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:38, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sage (Wiki Ed): Here I think we have a separate issue: can {{Dashboard.wikiedu.org}} be used to link to the outreach dashboard? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:49, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

@Piotrus: That could be confusing, since the template name implies it's only for dashboard.wikiedu.org and the text of it explicitly mentions being a Wiki Education-supported course. Can you give me some additional context? I don't know what problem you're trying to solve.Sage (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 24 August 2020

Please merge the changes from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment/sandbox to the main template. These changes:

• Automatically detect if a course has ended based on |end_date= if |ended= is not set
• Change the message based on if only |start_date= or |end_date= are set
• Validate that |start_date= is before |end_date=

See Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment/testcases. Thanks, AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 18:57, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

This looks excellent! Thank you!--ragesoss (talk)

Yes, this is much better. Sage (Wiki Ed) has moved this live. Mathglot (talk) 04:55, 26 August 2020 (UTC) Oh, I see, you did (are you aliases of each other?) well, whoever did, thanks! Mathglot (talk) 05:10, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Mathglot: yes, 'Ragesoss' is my non-work account. Had to use that for the admin rights to edit the template. :-) --Sage (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:27, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at WP:ENB § Students editing controversial topics

 You are invited to join the discussion at WP:ENB § Students editing controversial topics. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:45, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Template...how long should it remain?

This template use parameter says "For placement in the header section of article talk pages of articles that are being worked on by students doing courses through Wiki Education." Being worked on seems to be the key. Should these templates be removed after the class is over? I ask because I have noticed some article talk pages that have 5 to 10 of these templates that you have to scroll down from to get to the actual conversations. Templates that are 7 years old and the classes long gone. Surely once these classes are 6 months to a year passed the templates are ok to remove? Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:10, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@Fyunck(click): Imho, they should remain for a very long time. As someone who frequently edits articles of the type that student editors are assigned, it's very helpful to know that student editors have been there in the past. If your main objection is the length of the list of course assignment templates one has to scroll through, then that is easily solved: please just add a {{WikiEd banner shell}} template to the talk page, with parameter |collapsed=yes, and the scrolling will no longer be an issue. If you're not sure how to do that, just list the articles below that you find have too many templates, and I will take care of it. Mathglot (talk) 02:14, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, that'll work. I just wasn't sure the best way to handle it. I just tried it on the Serena Williams talk page and it worked just fine. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:48, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

@Fyunck(click):, glad that worked for you. If you want to see one that might be a record-breaker, have a look at Talk:Fake news. Mathglot (talk) 11:01, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

promoting student editing

While the 17 November 2020 discussion focused on the use of this template for warning other experienced editors of student work (and I preferred deletion), I was wondering if this template could be re-imagined for use in promoting and engaging student editing in the first place by, for example, updating some global stats (on Wikipedia, not offsite) to indicate how much of a difference they had made. It would be nice if students asked their teachers for such an assignment, rather than the few knowledgeable instructors driving their students in that direction. Many kinds of stats are possible, and could add a bit of healthy competition, i.e. by city, country, etc. (barring privacy concerns). Just an idle thought, not fully fleshed out. I have little knowledge of editing demographics... Dpleibovitz (talk) 03:11, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Add HTML class for easier display customization

Some editors don't like seeing this template. I suggest we make it easier to hide by adding an HTML class via the name parameter like this: {{tmbox|name=dashboard-wikiedu-assignment}} — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daask (talk • contribs) 06:33, December 9, 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. Let's wait for the discussion to be closed before taking unilateral action. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:05, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Support. I see no downside to this. Mathglot (talk) 17:45, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

The result of this discussion was dekleep

The top of this talk page shows that the result of the delete discussion was "keep", where the Template page displays the {{Being deleted}} template. Since the actual result was more nuanced, I'm not sure if either of these statements is completely accurate, and "delete" is not how I read the result of that discussion. Maybe the "Being deleted" template needs a rename to "Tfd result" and a new param? Pinging @Primefac and Nihonjoe:. Mathglot (talk) 18:04, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Since Primefac closed the discussion, I'll let him handle this. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:08, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Changes to {{being deleted}} should be discussed at that template's talk page. WT:TFD might be better, though, seeing as the template only has 13 watchers. Primefac (talk) 19:15, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Okay, and in the meantime, we should remove it from the template page, right, after all, it isn't being deleted, is it? Mathglot (talk) 22:06, 27 March 2021 (UTC) I removed it, because I need to add the template to another Talk page, and the current wording of the template currently forbids that. Mathglot (talk) 22:09, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

@Mathglot and Primefac: I think we probably ought to have some sort of notice on the template itself; adding a parameter to {{Being deleted}} to allow specifying a custom result sounds good. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 04:57, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

I see nothing wrong with a custom notice at the top of the page. One-size-fits-all templates don't always cover every permutation of an outcome. Primefac (talk) 12:50, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 24 August 2021

Replace File:Graduation cap.png with File:Sciences humaines.svg. The prior is just a low-res PNG of the latter SVG. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 13:05, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

 Done Primefac (talk) 14:02, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

This template causes table of content error

On talk pages where this template is used, table of contents has been moved before this template inside {{WikiProject banner shell}}. Examples: Talk:Charles Darwin, Talk:Israel. @Primefac: this may have happened after your last edit here. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 12:24, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

I mean, technically yes, but that's a GIGO issue if I ever saw one; this template (even before converting to a sectioned message instead of a banner) was not supposed to be inside other templates. My goal was to get these substed today anyway, so I'll add that to the list of fixes. Primefac (talk) 12:43, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request

Please revert this edit, it looks like an accidental edit that was meant for the /doc page or a talk page. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 03:26, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Looks like they self-reverted. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 03:35, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

THAT EXPLAINS IT. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 10:41, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

You're welcome! 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 02:20, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Template should be a banner and not have a heading

This template is apparently being automatically added to articles at the top with a heading. This is incorrect talk page use. If it has a heading, it should be added at the bottom. However, if it is moved to the bottom, the bot keeps adding it to the top again.

Please change the template to be a banner that integrates with the other leading banners at the top of the article without a heading. Nobody looks for new information in the first talk page section. Alternatively, follow WP:TPG and add it at the bottom. It will need to be subst'ed there. Skyerise (talk) 15:31, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

It's formatted as a section due to this TFD, it's still being treated as a banner due to this section and its followup further down the page. You are welcome to join in the latter conversations. Primefac (talk) 15:40, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Substing the banner as a section

When Primebot substs this as a section, it should insert in into the chronological location on the talk page, instead of the top -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 21:02, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

You're almost two weeks late, friend. Primefac (talk) 23:03, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 17 February 2022

Cell (biology) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to navigationJump to search Not to be confused with Cell biology. Cell Wilson1900Fig2.jpg Onion (Allium cepa) root cells in different phases of the cell cycle (drawn by E. B. Wilson, 1900) Celltypes.svg A eukaryotic cell (left) and prokaryotic cell (right) Identifiers MeSH D002477 TH H1.00.01.0.00001 FMA 686465 Anatomical terminology [edit on Wikidata] The cell (from Latin word 'cellula' meaning "small room"[1]) is the basic structural and functional unit of life. Every cell consists of a cytoplasm enclosed within a membrane, which contains many biomolecules such as proteins and nucleic acids.[2]

Most plant and animal cells are only visible under a light microscope, with dimensions between 1 and 100 micrometres.[3] Electron microscopy gives a much higher resolution showing greatly detailed cell structure. Organisms can be classified as unicellular (consisting of a single cell such as bacteria) or multicellular (including plants and animals).[4] Most unicellular organisms are classed as microorganisms. The number of cells in plants and animals varies from species to species; it has been approximated that the human body contains roughly 40 trillion (4×1013) cells.[a][5] The brain accounts for around 80 billion of these cells.[6] - Madhumati desai (talk) 06:46, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the template {{Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment}}. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. Primefac (talk) 07:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Deprecate WikiEd banner shell?

Template talk:WikiEd banner shell#Deprecated? czar 06:34, 26 February 2022 (UTC)