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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Z1720 (talk) 01:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

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Year of Luigi

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Created by Panini! (talk). Self-nominated at 01:56, 24 March 2022 (UTC).

None of these work as AFD hooks IMO (and I have no idea what "parkour" is a reference to). It's also very obvious that the hooks are about the super Mario brothers games, which practically everybody on the planet must be familiar with. So without a better angle, I think this one would have to be a scratching for AFD. Gatoclass (talk) 02:34, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Gatoclass, my original hooks included clarification of the exact things you listed, but I cut them down for the sake of a punchy tone. Just to give this a fighting chance, is your "practically everybody on the planet must be familiar with" statement sarcasm? If not, I can rewrite them to appeal to a broader audience. Panini! • 🥪 02:43, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
(For reference, it's in the context of actual parkour, which is the act of getting from point A to point B as fast as possible, as Wikipedia describes it.) Panini! • 🥪 02:44, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) No I wasn't being sarcastic - I think everybody who owns a computer has probably heard of Super Mario Bros. And I don't know what you mean by "appeal to a broader audience". There are two issues I raised with the hooks, firstly that "parkour" is mystifying, secondly that the hooks are not AFD-ish. Neither relates to "appeal to a broader audience" that I can discern. Gatoclass (talk) 02:51, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Panini!, while I do know of parkour, I agree with Gatoclass that none of these hooks are appropriate for AFD. If recast to qualify some of the wording (rather than use Wikipedia's voice for mockumentary "facts"), some of these might be suitable as hooks for the quirky slot of a regular set. ALT3 might work in the past tense, but I don't think it's sufficiently interesting without additional facts: anyone can ride the L in Chicago. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:05, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for the explanation of "parkour", I guess there might be an AFD angle in there somewhere then, but the first thing you would need to do is actually provide an explanation or at least a link to parkour in the article itself - I couldn't see one when I looked. Gatoclass (talk) 02:55, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Alright, Gatoclass, I've made another alt to better describe my intentions. For reference, the hook comes from this portion of the article: "Also in August, Nintendo released a mockumentary titled Finding Luigi - Legend of Parkour; the video opens with various interviews with parkour athletes, who praised Luigi's popularity and skill in the parkour industry before mysteriously vanishing. In an attempt to interview him, two men go on a quest to find his current whereabouts. The mockumentary was made to justify why Luigi could jump higher than Mario in New Super Luigi U and Super Mario 3D World." Panini! • 🥪 03:17, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Update, I also rewrote Alt1 to make some more sense. Panini! • 🥪 04:02, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi @Panini!:, I was going to do a review after what seemed like a pile-on. However they have a point. Not "everyone" blamed Luigi (the first ref only mentions the loss and not Luigi) and if you read the wiki article on Luigi then none of these points are mentioned. I think you need to realise that DYK is in the real universe. Even on AFDay the hooks are all true. If we have a hook involving a fictional person then it must be clear ... as in the case of a real person disappearing then its intriguing but a fictional person well ... less so. (Oh and I knew immediately what Parkour was). Victuallers (talk) 12:27, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for reviewing, Victuallers. If I'm not misinterpreting everyone's comments, is it still plausible that this could pass for an AFD DYK under the correct scrutiny? It appears that most of the opposing comments here state that the hooks pass off fiction as fact and/or aren't adequately relaying what the article says. If that's the case, I could work around the caveats, possibly; the "joke" I was going for here was (because a lot of people know about the Bros.) to suddenly introduce a fictional character and pair it with an absurd fact. If I were to specify what was real and what wasn't, they would look like this:
It removes the punchiness that I was trying to strive for, but the rules are rules. If I've misinterpreted your statement and it was actually a decline, there are a couple of instances of serious hooks I can pull instead for a non-AFD occasion. Also, per your concern of ALT1, it's because I forgot the source that sources the other half of the statement; I added it in Alt5. Panini! • 🥪 12:46, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
I am failing to understand, one of your refs says "Well done Luigi, you did well. Share your favourite memories of his year below". How does that fit with Alt7? SuperMario wiki (poor source) doesnt mention it and Wiki' Nintendo article (v.poor source) says about 2015 "The financial losses caused by the Wii U, along with Sony's intention to ... motivated Nintendo to rethink its strategy concerning the production and distribution of its properties". The article Luigi doesnt mention it either. Your article mentions a meme (ie a fiction) that is mentioned (in passing) in your ref which then contradicts the idea saying "he [Luigi] led the rescue mission, ensuring damage control and smiling gaming faces with his humorous terror, clumsy mannerisms and awesome platforming athleticism. He bailed Mario out in this Year of Luigi, and we'd better not forget it." ... so alt7 says "people blamed the fictional character Luigi"... umm, ? ? I'm failing to understand. Victuallers (talk) 16:14, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
It appears that I've once again failed to justify the "factual" aspect, and that's on me. Per your interpretation (and my misinterpretation, per se), I've struck the previous hooks. However, there's facts from this article that can be used for serious hooks instead; I looked around for the unordinary ones to use instead. The 7 day creation criteria also still applies. Victuallers, is there a separate process I need to take to give these serious hooks, or can I simply list them here and remove this from the AFD page? Panini! • 🥪 16:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
It was my understanding that approved hooks were moved to the AFD area. I think that given our history you should find another reviewer. The seven day rule doesnt apply once you are in the queue however you do need to make sure that you demonstrate that you are understanding. Look back at previous years of AFD and see how they are all factually correct. Victuallers (talk) 16:52, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

New serious hooks, no longer an AFD's nomination. A second reviewer is requested:

  • ALT0a: ... that Canadian actor Danny Wells, who portrayed Luigi in The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!, died amidst the character's 30th anniversary celebration? duringSource: [12][13]
  • ALT1a: ... that during the Year of Luigi, Nintendo released a mockumentary depicting Luigi as a "legend of parkour"? Source: [14] [15]
  • ALT2a: ... that to celebrate the Year of Luigi, the Chicago "L" train was redesigned with a green color scheme and character artwork, with a costumed character of Luigi riding upon it? Source: [16][17] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Panini! (talk • contribs) 20:14, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
    • I can't review them all, but there are issues with ALT2a and some related material in the article: there was a single train that was modified to be the Luigi train out of the very many trains that run on the Brown Line (sources 7 and 9 make it clear that it was a Brown Line train, though done up in green inside and out for the promotion; one of the three sources say that the Brown Line became the "Luigi Line" for the day), not a train that runs on the Green Line as the article says, though the two elevated lines, along with several others, both stop at Clark/Lake downtown where kiosks offered up a new game featuring Luigi. So ALT2a might fly with "a" (rather than "the") L train, but the article needs to be revised to better reflect the sources, and really shouldn't feature a Green Line image. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:53, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
      • Oh, pardon me, BlueMoonset, I've been seeing green the whole week I was writing this. I added the specifics of the train line while I was in a rush. "Brown line" and "green" may have merged in this rush to add an image. I've fixed the article to match this discrepancy. Panini! • 🥪 00:09, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Full review needed. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:36, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Earwig flagged a few passages, but they appeared to be quotes. Approving Alt1a --evrik (talk) 04:44, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Promoted ALT1a to Prep 3. Z1720 (talk) 01:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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