Template:Did you know nominations/Xing Shizhong
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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 18:58, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
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Xing Shizhong
[edit]... that in the view of the Chinese general Xing Shizhong, the United States has been a cause of conflicts in the world partly because it tries to impose its values on other nations?Source: Discovering Chinese Nationalism in China
Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 01:27, 16 March 2019 (UTC).
This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I came by to promote this, but I don't see the hook wording in the article. The article cites Western imperialism as the source of instability, and the United States as the source of conflict. Aside from that, I think this reads like propaganda. Would you like to suggest a different hook about the subject himself? Yoninah (talk) 19:14, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: Cause of conflicts is obviously also source of instability, but I've changed the hook wording to match the article and source exactly. Xing's view is obviously biased, but the hook itself is neutral because it uses in-text attribution, see WP:BIASED. Chinese propaganda is interesting and intensely studied by scholars. In fact, the immediate source of the hook is a scholarly work written by a Singaporean professor and published by the Cambridge University Press, and it devotes several pages to the analysis of Xing's opinion. That being said, I propose the following hook for your consideration, which is probably less controversial but also less interesting IMO:
ALT1 ... that General Xing Shizhong served as President of the PLA National Defence University, which trains China's top military officers?-Zanhe (talk) 23:36, 16 April 2019 (UTC)- @Zanhe: you're right, ALT1 is not interesting. But without calling the original hook propaganda, it just looks like U.S. bashing from a nation that has had plenty of criticism tossed its own way. I think you could develop a hook from the fact that the subject had a 50-year military career, with interesting facts in the second paragraph under Biography. Yoninah (talk) 00:29, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: Sorry I got sidetracked by other stuff in the last few days and forgot to respond. How about this:
- ALT2 ... that Xing Shizhong was promoted for his performance in the Sino-Vietnamese War and later served as president of a university that trains China's top military officers? -Zanhe (talk) 05:07, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Yes, ALT2 is better, thanks. @Cwmhiraeth: could you review ALT2? Yoninah (talk) 17:44, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: Sorry I got sidetracked by other stuff in the last few days and forgot to respond. How about this:
- Approving ALT2 and striking the other hooks. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:07, 23 April 2019 (UTC)