Template:Did you know nominations/William Dorsey Swann
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:32, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
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William Dorsey Swann
- ... that William Dorsey Swann was the first person to self-identify as a "queen of drag"? Source: [1] (note quoted "queen of drag" that is now more familiarly drag queen
- ALT1:... that William Dorsey Swann was part of the earliest-known case involving an American pursuing legal and political steps to defend the LGBTQ community's right to gather? Source: [2]
- Reviewed: Little Cut
Created by Paul2520 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:00, 9 February 2020 (UTC).
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- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
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| Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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| QPQ: Done. |
Overall: 
All generally fine, though a couple of suggestions. It may sound pedantic but the source says that Swann was the "first known" (i.e. there is possibility of undocumented people using the phrase "queen of drag"); we should echo this in the hook. Also, the lead section in the article should be a summary of the article on the whole, and not introduce information not otherwise mentioned. In this case, the lead features the claim and citation for the hook, but the body doesn't.
- ALT0a: ... that William Dorsey Swann was the first known person to self-identify as a "queen of drag"? MIDI (talk) 20:11, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks and good catch with that word, MIDI. I had played with the wording to avoid direct copy of the source.
- I added the title mention from the lead to the body; also a good idea.
- The update to the hook looks fine to me. = paul2520 (talk) 20:21, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- Fab. Before I approve this, it'd be good to see if there's a usable image. Given Swann's date of birth, would it be a fair assumption that the main image in the hook reference would qualify for {{PD-US-expired}}? MIDI (talk) 08:40, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- I saw this, MIDI, and it sounds likely.
- There's no real proof that either person photographed is Swann. The article cleverly doesn't indicate names. I saw that photo elsewhere with a Creative Commons mention in the watermark. Likewise, it was just a "here's a relevant photo of folks in drag from that time".
- Is there a good place to ask to help verify? I almost asked in the Teahouse yesterday, and would be happy to post wherever you think is appropriate. = paul2520 (talk) 13:17, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- I saw this, MIDI, and it sounds likely.
- Fab. Before I approve this, it'd be good to see if there's a usable image. Given Swann's date of birth, would it be a fair assumption that the main image in the hook reference would qualify for {{PD-US-expired}}? MIDI (talk) 08:40, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- ALT0a: ... that William Dorsey Swann was the first known person to self-identify as a "queen of drag"? MIDI (talk) 20:11, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
MIDI, I'd suggest we move forward without the image. Like I said, there's no indication that the piece in The Nation is Swann. And I'm unsure of copyrights. = paul2520 (talk) 15:19, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
