Template:Did you know nominations/Wie soll ich dich empfangen

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:53, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Wie soll ich dich empfangen

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... that the Advent hymn "Wie soll ich dich empfangen" with lyrics by Paul Gerhardt had a melody by Johann Crüger when he published it in 1653, but Bach used a different melody in his Christmas Oratorio?

Reviewed: Marcu Cercel
Comment: Advent preferred, but could go to Christmas if there's a shortage

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:27, 10 December 2017 (UTC).

This is the English language Wikipedia. Though I have no objection to the presentation of the hymn in the original German, I think a translation should also be provided. Gatoclass (talk) 13:13, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

If you look at my many DYK noms for German language titles: I supply a translation if it helps understanding. In this case, it doesn't because it's only the beginning of a sentence which contains an undefined "you". The reader can trust that there will be a translation in the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:22, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, Gerda Arendt, I didn't mean in the hook, I meant a translation of the verses in the article. The whole thing is in German. Gatoclass (talk) 16:33, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Got it, sorry for misunderstanding. When there's a licensed translation that get's added (compare Silent Night), but I didn't find one here. It's baroque language, which I wouldn't go and translate myself, believing it would not add much. The ideas are summarized in the prose. That could be detailed (with examples of single lines), and I would for GA (and if I had more time), but this is just DYK. Compare Von guten Mächten, where the translation is not free. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:52, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Hmmm, well I guess if you're not confident translating it Gerda Arendt, we could overlook it on this occasion - especially since there are only a few days left until Christmas now. What do you think would be a good day for running an Advent hook? Gatoclass (talk) 11:14, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! The perfect time is 24 December, because this year it's both the fourth Sunday of Advent and Christmas Eve ;) - I'll add a link to the translation of the first stanza, - it must be in some Christmas Oratorio translation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:02, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

I found now a translation of some stanzas, better than nothing, and old enough: will add. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:07, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Gatoclass (talk) 12:15, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

I am having some issues trying to verify the hook. The article says in the lead that Cruger wrote a melody but that is unsourced and the statement doesn't appear to be repeated in the article body. There is a statement in the body of the article which says Bach set a stanza from the original hymn to a different melody in the Oratorio, but that statement is also unsourced. Gatoclass (talk) 12:13, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Agree, I just know it so well from singing both melodies so often. Will find refs, but it may be later today. The Bach thing is in Christmas Oratorio, but possibly also unsourced. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:54, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

I am sure that I will find refs in what's now Literature: Liederkunde. Will make it a ref, but later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Did that now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:34, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda Arendt, but I see that the hook statement that the lyrics were written by Paul Gerhardt is still unsourced. Gatoclass (talk) 11:33, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. (You can't know that the article was written to have one red link less in his article, sorry.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:48, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, that isn't such a great source, any chance you could find a better one? Gatoclass (talk) 12:22, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

I changed it to a book. You can take any of the others others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:13, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Length and newness fine, sourcing fine, QPQ completed, passed a spot check for copyvio and the hook interest is acceptable. I am AGF verifying this nomination as the principle source is a German language book that I am unable to access. Gatoclass (talk) 12:08, 19 December 2017 (UTC)