Template:Did you know nominations/Where in Europe Is Carmen Sandiego?

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:19, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Where in Europe Is Carmen Sandiego?

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• Hook as originally approved: ... that the first three video game titles in the popular edutainment franchise Carmen Sandiego saw players chase Carmen and her henchmen across the world (1985), U.S.A. (1986), and Europe (1988)?
• Hook as modified and then struck as too long: ... that the first four titles in Broderbund's popular edutainment franchise Carmen Sandiego saw players chase Carmen and her henchmen across the world (1985), U.S.A. (1986), Europe (1988), and North Dakota (1989)?
• ALT1: ... that the first four titles in Broderbund's edutainment franchise Carmen Sandiego saw players chase Carmen and her crooks across the world (1985), USA (1986), Europe (1988), and North Dakota (1989)?

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5x expanded by Coin945 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:59, 6 February 2017 (UTC).

• Coin945, it has been over three weeks and the QPQ has still not been supplied. Please supply a QPQ within the next seven days. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:56, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

• @BlueMoonset: Done.--Coin945 (talk) 03:57, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

• Full review needed now that QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:31, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
  • 5x expansion and date verified, well written and adequately sourced (including the hook claim, on the next page of the link given in the relevant footnote), and QPQ done. Earwig's only hits were matching titles, so no copyvio issues. Interestingly written hook. Good to go. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:36, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

• At 210 prose characters, the hook is too long, so I've struck it. It is interesting, and could easily be revised for an ALT hook in a way that retains interest. You could shorten it by removing the last-added North Dakota game, by removing the release dates for the four games, or by some other adjustment, but it has to be below 200 characters. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:31, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

• Whoops my fault. I expanded the hook slightly after it was originally approved without realising it would get it over the limit. Please review my new attempt.--Coin945 (talk) 18:54, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

• Hook now back down to 197. But the modified hook is no longer what the source for this hook in the corresponding article sentence said, because the source is a review dated from when there were only three. Please do not change the hook after approval without using the {{subst:DYK?again}} icon to indicate that a new review is needed. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:49, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

• Source [1] asserts that Europe is the third in the series after World and USA. [5] asserts that Time was released in August 1989. However, [4] asserts that the rare prototype game North Dakota was actually released in February 1989, thus making it the fourth game in the series.--Coin945 (talk) 20:05, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

• Source [4] was published in 1988. Did they have a time machine? —David Eppstein (talk) 21:42, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

• Note: I have restored the hook as it was when it was approved, and also as it was expanded prior to my striking it. The latest version is labeled ALT1. It is not okay to keep editing hooks in place. When wanting to propose a change, please do so as an ALT; otherwise, it makes nonsense of previous comments. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:32, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

• I would prefer just to go back to the original hook. By placing the main article link in a more prominent place in the list (last, rather than somewhere in the middle) it makes it more obvious which one is main. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:06, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

• I'm okay with that! :)--Coin945 (talk) 04:23, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

• Ok, then, let's tag this as good to go with the original (ending in Europe) hook. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:57, 4 March 2017 (UTC)