Template:Did you know nominations/West Coast Get Down

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 12:29, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

West Coast Get Down

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... that several members of the West Coast Get Down performed on Kendrick Lamar's 2015 album To Pimp a Butterfly? Source: https://www.dazeddigital.com/music/article/49630/1/west-coast-get-down-los-angeles-jazz-collective-interview
- Reviewed: (second DYK submission)

Moved to mainspace by BanjoZebra (talk). Self-nominated at 17:08, 12 January 2023 (UTC).

I'm wondering if a different angle could be proposed here since music artist hooks have tended to underperform with readers on DYK as of late, especially if they try to connect the DYK subject with a more famous artist. Personally I'm also not a big fan of the hook since it seems reliant on the connection with Lamar rather than being primarily about the subject. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:39, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- ALT: ... that the West Coast Get Down has been described as the "Wu-Tang Clan of jazz"? Source: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/q/blog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-west-coast-get-down-1.4117473 BanjoZebra (talk) 18:19, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

It's a bit better, but I feel that it might be a bit reliant on knowing who the Wu-Tang Clan are, not to mention the wording might encourage readers to click on that article rather than West Coast Get Down's. I'll have to think this over before continuing the review, but for what it's worth a spot check seems to show that the article's okay for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:49, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

How about this? ALT2: ... that the West Coast Get Down has been hailed for "revitalizing jazz for younger audiences"? Source: https://www.vaildaily.com/news/vail-jazz-workshop-alumnus-ryan-porter-the-music-chose-me/ BanjoZebra (talk) 03:19, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

It sounds better but per recent discussions at WT:DYK that may need an in-hook attribution. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:47, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Could add "according to Vail Daily," but the source article itself says the West Coast Get Down has been "cited" for revitalizing, so it's not really Vail Daily's own hailing. BanjoZebra (talk) 18:26, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

We will probably need a better source then. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:49, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@BanjoZebra: Any luck finding another source or hook? BuySomeApples (talk) 04:25, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Sure, here's another possibility:

ALT3: ... that the jazz collective West Coast Get Down once recorded 192 songs over the course of a month? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/magazine/kamasi-washingtons-giant-step.html BanjoZebra (talk) 18:10, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

I like ALT3 a lot more than the previous suggestions. @BuySomeApples: Are you okay with it too? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:59, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

It looks good to me @Narutolovehinata5:! BuySomeApples (talk) 03:17, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Good to know. I'll be doing a full review within the next few days. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:15, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

The nomination was done on time (the day after the article was moved to mainspace) and meets DYK requirements. I didn't find any close paraphrasing. Nom is exempted from the QPQ requirement. I like ALT3 the best; however, the hook and the article don't match the NY Times source. The hook says it took place over a month, the article specifies 30 days; however, as far as I can tell, the NY Times article is vague about the timeline. It mentions the phrase "by the end of the month" but it doesn't seem to specify how long they were recording or even what month they recorded (was it December?); for ALT3 to be approved, these will need to be addressed. I am rejecting the other hook proposals at this time per previous comments. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:03, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: I would argue that the NYT article strongly implies that the recording session was done over the course of the month of December, and any other interpretation is less salient in the context of the article. This info is also corroborated in other sources on the same sentence; however, these sources don't specify the precise 192 number like the NYT does (https://daily.bandcamp.com/features/ryan-porter-force-for-good-interview, https://www.gearpatrol.com/tech/audio/a357779/west-coast-get-down-los-angeles-jazz/). I could change the article to say "the month" instead of "30 days," but that doesn't seem necessary because these sources make this information clear. Another possibility is to change the source to the Gear Patrol magazine article, which has the same information (and makes the timeline explicitly clear) but rounds the number of songs to 190 instead of 192. Let me know what you think is the best way forward! BanjoZebra (talk) 16:08, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

I suppose we can go with the latter option, with a footnote explaining the discrepancy between the exact numbers. We can even say "around 190 songs" just to be sure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:11, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

This works for me, so just to be clear: ... that the jazz collective West Coast Get Down once recorded around 190 songs over the course of a month? Source: https://www.gearpatrol.com/tech/audio/a357779/west-coast-get-down-los-angeles-jazz/ BanjoZebra (talk) 02:42, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

That works. The article needs to reflect this, however. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:56, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Done! BanjoZebra (talk) 04:56, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I suppose that works. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)