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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:03, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

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Walter Bartley Wilson

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  • ... that, during 44 years working with Cardiff City F.C., club founder Walter Bartley Wilson was also instrumental in building its first ground, managed the team, worked as secretary, and even wrote match reports for the South Wales Echo? Source: WalesOnline (match reports & ground) From Grahame Lloyd's book: "Bart laboured tirelessly for the good of Cardiff City as inspirational founder, enthusiastic first secretary and even, for a disastrous six months in the Thirties, as manager. Indeed, when he died at his home in Llanfair Road, Canton, he had only recently retired as assistant secretary at Ninian Park, the club's home since 1910"

Improved to Good Article status by Kosack (talk). Self-nominated at 06:10, 10 September 2019 (UTC).

  • GA icon received on September 9. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. QPQ done.
  • But the hook is 233 characters long. Could you suggest a shorter alt? I think focusing on one fact would be better, like building a stadium for 10,000 that would eventually hold 60,000, or some other fact from the article. Yoninah (talk) 21:48, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Is ALT1 within 200 characters? I think it's there but I 'm on mobile so can't be too sure. I think a single fact isn't particularly noteworthy, more the fact that he fulfilled so many roles. Kosack (talk) 07:05, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Kosack: the hook is 197 characters. It says everything you need to know and there's no reason to click on the article. Here's an interesting hook fact that I got from the article:
  • ALT2: ... that Cardiff City F.C. founder Walter Bartley Wilson selected a ground for the club that could hold at least 10,000 spectators – not realizing that one day it would hold 60,000? Yoninah (talk) 19:06, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Yeah, I can see your point about getting people to click. I'm happy to go with your Alt. Kosack (talk) 20:07, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you. New reviewer needed for ALT2. Yoninah (talk) 20:27, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
I am looking at this article with a view to considering ALT2, and discover the surprising fact that this man retired 6 months after he died (or died 6 months before he retired, whichever you prefer). Kosack, as the main source is offline, could you clarify the dates of his retirement and death, please? RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:28, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
  • As far as hooks go, I find it very interesting that the founder of this football club had a clubfoot - although I have to say I don't know if founders of football clubs usually play football themselves, though. And the fact that his headstone was forgotten for 44 years after flooding postponed his funeral is amazing! Did no-one visit his grave after he was buried and wonder where it was? RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:52, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Woops good spot on that, fixed the date. There's plenty of possible hooks here I think. What's the one most grabbing you? Kosack (talk) 10:52, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Kosack! I think it would be good to have several hooks to choose from (different editors move the hooks to the queue, and often have different ideas about what would be interesting). Would you like to have a go at writing a hook about him having a clubfoot, and one about the headstone? I'd be happy to write some, but then, as with the previous editor, we would need someone else to review them, as we can't approve our own hooks. I have added a few extra citations to the article, as the citations for the hook facts have to be at the end of (or within) the same sentence. For a hook about the gravestone, there would need to be a citation at the end of the sentence "In the confusion, Wilson's headstone had been placed under a nearby tree and was forgotten after the ceremony was rearranged." Would that also be from the Lloyd book? If so, could you add a citation to the relevant page at the end of that sentence, please? RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:46, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
@RebeccaGreen: I've added an ALT3 regarding the grave. This is sourced through a BBC article although the Lloyd book would also support it so I've repeated a link there too. Kosack (talk) 06:27, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Approving ALT2 and ALT3. Hooks are well within the character limit, and the hook facts are cited in the article (AGF for one source which is offline). I have tweaked ALT3, as the source does not mention the distance, just that it was "in bushes nearby". Article review per Yoninah, and issue identified in my own review addressed. RebeccaGreen (talk) 07:04, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you, RebeccaGreen. I'm going to leave this to another editor to promote, since I think my ALT2 is more pertinent to the subject and his accomplishments than ALT3. Yoninah (talk) 18:05, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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