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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 22:11, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

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Walls of Madrid

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Muslim wall of Madrid and Rear facade of the Cathedral of Our Lady of La Almudena
Muslim wall of Madrid and Rear facade of the Cathedral of Our Lady of La Almudena
  • ... that the city of Madrid has had five successive sets of walls, from the first built by the Moors in 860 to the ones built by Phillip IV in 1625? Source: "First Enclosure: Muslim Walls". Medieval Madrid. Archived from the original on 2009-04-19. Retrieved 2016-12-30.

5x expanded by Evrik (talk). Self-nominated at 02:35, 26 March 2022 (UTC).

There are a few cites which may need fixing. If you cannot see them you could put: 

importScript('User:Headbomb/unreliable.js'); // Backlink: [[User:Headbomb/unreliable.js]]

importScript('User:Trappist the monk/HarvErrors.js');

in your common.js Please ping me if unclear or when you have fixed and I will continue the review Chidgk1 (talk) 17:25, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

You fixed one thanks but cites 11, 13 and 17 show red as "generally unreliable source". But I don't know Spain or Spanish - you maybe know the source writers are in fact experts or can replace them with better sources? Chidgk1 (talk) 10:45, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
  • @Chidgk1: I think I fixed the issues. --evrik (talk) 14:34, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Checked for copyvio by using Earwig - OK as pretty sure those websites copied from Wikipedia. Checked it is indeed over 5X bigger. But not sure this is eligible for DYK as if I understand your edit comment right almost all the expansion was copied or moved from other English Wikipedia pages rather than translated from the Spanish? Chidgk1 (talk) 15:14, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

  • @Chidgk1: The sources should not be copied from Wikipedia. I did expand the article using content from the other articles. However, I did rewrite the content, checked the sources, and cross-referenced with the Spanish version. Also, in some cases I went back and used what I wrote to improve the original sources, like this or this. I think the five source articles were machine translated from the Spanish versions, so I think the prose in Walls of Madrid is better. --evrik (talk) 15:46, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
  • OK continuing review Chidgk1 (talk) 05:37, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
  • evrik Nearly there I think. Checked tax cite OK. Which page are the walls on in the plague cite please? Or if not found we could just remove that - however 3 items makes best hook I think. Chidgk1 (talk) 05:48, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Okay, I went back and tagged that line with one of the sources deemed less reliable (look for the word peste). That factoid may also be here:
Libros de Acuerdos del Concejo madrileño (1464-1515, cinco vol.). Ayuntamiento de Madrid, 1932-1987.
Urgorri Casado, Fernando. «El ensanche de Madrid en tiempos de Enrique IV y Juan II» en Revista de la Biblioteca, Archivo y Museo, nº 67. Ayuntamiento de Madrid, 1954.
Montero Vallejo, Manuel. Madrid musulmán, cristiano y bajo medieval. Ed. Avapiés. Madrid 1990.
Montero Vallejo, Manuel. El Madrid medieval. Ed. La Librería. Madrid 2003.
Montero Vallejo, Manuel. El Madrid de Isabel I. Ed. La Librería. Madrid 2004.
What next? --evrik (talk) 14:06, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
  • If you are not sure about the plague bit I think we had better take it out of the hook. How about:
ALT2: ... that the Walls of Madrid were built for defense and taxation? Chidgk1 (talk) 17:31, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
  • I'm sure about the plague bit. Here is The Making of Madrid another source. In this one, they talk about how the city shut its gate in response to a plague outbreak. It may be easier to go with Alt0. --evrik (talk) 19:31, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
  • But that is a blog. Do you know the blog writer is an expert? Seems https://felicityhughes.com/felicity-hughes/ is more of a fiction writer than a historian. Or can you quote a more reliable source? Happy with alt0 as a hook if you can find currently online sources for that. Perhaps either of them can be confirmed by searching Google Scholar? Or could you get the page number for one of the books/journals you listed above? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:41, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
  • None of the other sources are online or at my fingertips. if Alt0 is okay, we should go with that. --evrik (talk) 15:36, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Yes alt0 is fine as a hook. I cannot check the cite for the oldest wall but accept it from you. So you just need to add a reasonable cite for "The Walls of Felipe IV were built around the city of Madrid between 1625 and 1868." which hopefully should be easy for you? Chidgk1 (talk) 05:56, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Cite added. --evrik (talk) 16:43, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

ALT0 to T:DYK/P5

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