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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:36, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

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Uwe Wolf (musicologist)

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  • Reviewed: to come

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:07, 15 September 2019 (UTC).

  • I think the hook has potential, particularly the one on the Bach Digital mention. Maybe the hook could be rewritten to focus on that instead? It sounds kind of interesting that there is a digital archive for Bach being made, although the article doesn't really go into much detail as to what Wolf's involvement was (other than the website). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:20, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
  • When I wrote the hook I thought we had an article on the archive, but it's a rather poor redirect, so I think that without an article, I won't go further. The archive is the best source for Bach, just look at any better article o his works. Will you replace the redirect. I'm travelling, and my talk is flooded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:45, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
QPQ still needed. How about a general interest hook: Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:30, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that musicologist Uwe Wolf can scientifically distinguish between notes written on the score of his Mass in B minor by Johann Sebastian Bach from those written by his son?
That sounds interesting, although it might be more accurate to say that he "conducted research" on distinguishing instead of saying that "he can distinguish". Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:33, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Good idea, but everybody "can", using the same method. He "did" it. Links to the work and at least the son, please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:03, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Full review needed on this nomination. If the reviewer has issues with the hooks, then further work can be done on them, but time to concentrate on the other DYK criteria. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:43, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Article appears to meet DYK requirements, no close paraphrasing was found, and I was able to confirm that the information for ALT1, which is cited inline, is in the source provided. A QPQ is still needed. In addition, I would suggest a revision to ALT1, which I am posting below (it could still probably be rephrased; as I introduced the "X-ray" part, another editor may be needed to sign it off) : Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:05, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

This would get difficulties with ERRORS because it also concerned text, not only notes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
If we go that way, we should have this image with it, in hook and article, to show how hard it is. I'm travelling, so would take time, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
I reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Fleet Review (Japan). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:17, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi Gerda Arendt, Narutolovehinata5, it might be possible to avoid implied errors by saying "musical and textual notes", perhaps? Then, I think "Johann Sebastian Bach" could be shortened to "J S Bach" (a very common way of referring to him), with some other possible ways of shortening the hook in ALT4:
RebeccaGreen (talk) 19:54, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Note: I've adjusted ALT3 and ALT4 to conform to MOS:INITIALS (period after each initial, and non-breaking space between them), which has increased the length of both hooks by two characters (also adjusted). BlueMoonset (talk) 20:29, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Good idea, but makes it ambiguous, because an innocent reader would think it's the difference between musical and textual notes. How is this:
Page from Bach's Credo, revised by C. P. E. Bach
Page from Bach's Credo, revised by C. P. E. Bach
ALT5: ... that musicologist Uwe Wolf conducted X-ray research to distinguish J. S. Bach's writing in the score of his Mass in B minor from changes made by his son Carl Philipp Emanuel (revised page pictured)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
I don't know about innocent readers (readers who don't know the difference between musical and textual notes, and that you don't need X-ray to distinguish them?), but only someone who didn't read to the end of the hook could think it was ambiguous. ALTs 3 and 4 don't say just "to distinguish between [musical] and [textual] notes", they say "to distinguish between [musical and textual notes made by J. S. Bach on the score of his Mass in B minor ] from [those made by his son ]". But whatever. ALT5 has the advantage of being shorter, at 170 characters, and would be even shorter (154) if "his son" was a piped link still. RebeccaGreen (talk) 03:51, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
I'd pipe the son if he had only one, but he had several who became composrs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:51, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Reviewer needed to weigh in on ALT hooks. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:22, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
  • This article is new enough and long enough. Approving ALT5 as being the best hook the facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. A QPQ review has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:58, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! For clarity, I stuck the others, and moved the image. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:56, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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