Template:Did you know nominations/Uranium mining in the Bancroft area
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 01:10, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
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Uranium mining in the Bancroft area
... that in 1958, uranium was Canada's biggest mineral export? Source: https://emrlibrary.gov.yk.ca/gsc/economic_geology_series/16-1962/egs_16.pdf
Created by CT55555 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:25, 16 December 2021 (UTC).
New enough - moved to article space on 10 December rather than the 16th, but within the 7 days permitted. Plenty long enough, and within policy with inline cites. The article is tagged with {{Over-quotation}}, but I think that's OK here - but would be good to sort that out. QPQ not needed as I think this is the user's second DYK. The main issue is with the hook - it should really display the article's full title, and be more specific for the Bancroft area. @CT55555: Could you suggest some alternatives please? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:58, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Mike Peel for the clear path forward. Regarding the over-quotation thing, User:GeoWriter added that tag since I did the self-nomination and both User:GeoWriter and I have made edits to reduce the reliance on quotes. To address the main issue, alternative hooks that are specific to Bancroft could be:
- DYK that Bancroft is one of just a few places in the world where uranium was mined from pegmatitic rock (source to support: https://emrlibrary.gov.yk.ca/gsc/economic_geology_series/16-1962/egs_16.pdf page 175)
- DYK that uranium mines Bancroft, Ontario has produced world class specimens of Thorite (Source: http://www.geologyontario.mndm.gov.on.ca/mndmfiles/mdi/data/records/MDI31D16NE00166.html)
- DYK that Madawaska Mine in Bancroft, Ontario has produced samples of the very rare kainosite-(Y), globally renowned samples of calcite and flourite, "superb" samples of ilmenite, "fine" samples of molybdenite, and the best known samples of molybdenite (Source: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00357529.2019.1619134?journalCode=vram20 this is behind a paywall, but maybe I could show an image if the relevant part if someone needs to verify, or perhaps accept in good faith?)
- @CT55555: There's a style to proposing different ALT (alternative) hooks in this process - you never rewrite past proposals, instead you add new ALT1, ALT2, etc. There's also a style to how they are written. Taking your new suggestions, here's how I would format them:
ALT1: ... that Uranium mined in the Bancroft area of Canada is extracted from pegmatitic rock, one of only a few such places worldwide? [1] page 175ALT2: ... that Uranium mining in the Bancroft area of Canada has produced some of the best specimens of Thorite?[2]
- I think your third new hook has too many parts to it - you should keep them to maybe two or three linked items, and ideally just the most important one. What do you think - does this phrasing of the hooks work for you, and does it catch the most important part or (parts) of the article? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:17, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hi @ Mike Peel Thanks for the tips on style and process. I agree about #3. To your question, ALT1 and ALT2 are both technically correct statements, but do they capture the most important parts of the article? I think no, I think they capture very interesting facts (some of these minerals samples are the most impressive in the world) but that is not the core content of the article. I think the really central thing to the article is that the otherwise not very notable town of Bancroft has globally very uncommon geology and for a few years became globally important in uranium production. Which takes me back to something closer to the original hook. The actual supply chain of uranium is exceptionally opaque, probably for obvious reasons. So I'm forced to talk about the sale of it instead of the procurement of it. Maybe the hook should be:
ALT3: ... that In 1958 Uranium mining in Bancroft, Blind River, Beaverlodge and the Northwest Territories made uranium Canada's #1 mineral export, and #5 export of any type? [3] pp 12, 92
- or
ALT4: ... that The Bancroft region is the only place in Canada and one of very few places in the world where uranium was mined from pegmatite rock? [4] pp 175 CT55555 (talk) 17:57, 26 December 2021 (UTC)- @CT55555: OK, those are looking better, but I don't think they're quite there yet. The only bold text should be the main article link. You should wikilink important words in the rest of the hook, the words that you wouldn't expect the average person to recognise. You should also keep the words to an absolute minimum, avoid symbols like #, and really focus on the most important point, so that you grab people's attention in a second or so. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:03, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hi @Mike Peel I'm inexperienced in source editing (relying in visual editing since I joined, so first drafts of this reply might be quickly edited)
- ALT5: ... that in 1958 Uranium mining in Bancroft, Blind River, Beaverlodge, and the Northwest Territories made uranium Canada's number one mineral export? [5] pp 12, 92
- @CT55555: OK, those are looking better, but I don't think they're quite there yet. The only bold text should be the main article link. You should wikilink important words in the rest of the hook, the words that you wouldn't expect the average person to recognise. You should also keep the words to an absolute minimum, avoid symbols like #, and really focus on the most important point, so that you grab people's attention in a second or so. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:03, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- or
- ALT6: ... that the Bancroft region is the only place in Canada and one of very few places in the world where uranium was mined from pegmatite rock? [6] pp 175 CT55555 (talk) 18:14, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
@CT55555: OK, ALT5 and ALT6 look good to me for the review, I've struck the older ones. I've also asked if more experienced DYK editors can have a look at this, so you may hear from others as well, but otherwise this is over to the posting admin to decide on. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:19, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
We don’t promote articles with maintenance tags. And I agree; those quotes are excessive – especially the long ones. Write some of those in your own words. Shorten the long ones. Schwede66 18:50, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hi @User:Schwede66 I'm relatively new and realized my error about the length of quotes only after nominating the article, the tag was added after the article was accepted. The quotes are very technical and I'm trying to get help from the Geology Program (I made a request there today, in addition to other efforts) to rewrite the long quotes. One geology expert has already started editing (the same person who added the tag) and I've rewritten the longer quotes that are not geological in nature. I'm optimistic that we'll get this fixed in the short term, but I'm reliant on the kindness of others. I suppose I could probably cut it way down safely, but would lose some content, so if there is an urgency to the fix, I can do that. I'd rather get it in DYK with less content, if that's the choice we need to make? CT55555 (talk) 19:03, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- CT55555, no worries. There's no real urgency. Take your time and say when it's done, and somebody will have a look at the article. It'll make its way to the homepage; just keep at it. Schwede66 19:34, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Schwede66 It's my lucky day, the tag was just removed by the same person who put it up, after he kindly re-wrote the articles. Hurrah! CT55555 (talk) 22:33, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- CT55555, no worries. There's no real urgency. Take your time and say when it's done, and somebody will have a look at the article. It'll make its way to the homepage; just keep at it. Schwede66 19:34, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hi @User:Schwede66 I'm relatively new and realized my error about the length of quotes only after nominating the article, the tag was added after the article was accepted. The quotes are very technical and I'm trying to get help from the Geology Program (I made a request there today, in addition to other efforts) to rewrite the long quotes. One geology expert has already started editing (the same person who added the tag) and I've rewritten the longer quotes that are not geological in nature. I'm optimistic that we'll get this fixed in the short term, but I'm reliant on the kindness of others. I suppose I could probably cut it way down safely, but would lose some content, so if there is an urgency to the fix, I can do that. I'd rather get it in DYK with less content, if that's the choice we need to make? CT55555 (talk) 19:03, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- ALT6: ... that the Bancroft region is the only place in Canada and one of very few places in the world where uranium was mined from pegmatite rock? [6] pp 175 CT55555 (talk) 18:14, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
