Template:Did you know nominations/Tsien Tsuen-hsuin
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 10:14, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
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Tsien Tsuen-hsuin
[edit]- ... that Tsien Tsuen-hsuin, who recently died at age 105, risked his life to ship rare books from China to the United States, out of the reach of the Japanese Army?
- Reviewed: Yazd Atash Behram
- Comment: moved to the main space on April 14
Created by CWH (talk), Zanhe (talk) and White whirlwind (talk). Nominated by Zanhe (talk) at 19:04, 16 April 2015 (UTC).
·The article was new at the time it was nominated. It is long enough and contains sufficient inline citations. The hook is formatted correctly and cited. The references are formatted in a different way, but they are reliable sources. There may be possible copyvio that needs to be addressed: http://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Tsien+Tsuen-hsuin&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1 Otherwise this article was quite fascinating. Hope the copyvio is fixed because he is an interesting man, and it makes a good DYK. Mchuedem (talk) 17:10, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for the quick work and kind comments! It seems to me -- if I understand the Earwig Copyvio page -- that the highlighted (questionable?) phrases are not in fact copyvio. Many are unavoidable (his name, his publications, "East Asian Collection," "University of Chicago," etc.), but the most important thing is that the H-ASIA piece is a posting of Shaugnessey's obit which was used in the obits which are cited (Sun Times etc.). That said, I'd be happy to add more citation if someone can point me to what seems appropriate. Cheers. ch (talk) 21:08, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
- Also (apologies, I should have read more carefully) H-ASIA published the piece under Creative Commons, which -- again, if I understand correctly -- means that its OK to publish with attribution, which I will add even if my reasoning above is correct that none is needed.ch (talk) 21:19, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
- ch I see that there are words that cannot be changed like his name and publications, but I'd try to alter a few phrases that are similar to the cited sources. Once it gets down to at least 39% it should be okay. Mchuedem (talk) 15:21, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
- @Mchuedem: As CWH pointed out, the main source reported in the Earwig's detector is published under Creative Commons, which means it can be copied as freely as Wikipedia content. Minor close paraphrasing of free content is really no big deal, and I think our time can be better spent on writing new content than further paraphrasing of free sources. -Zanhe (talk) 17:57, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks to you both for the useful comments. I went ahead and made as many changes as I could. Earwig now tells us that we have plagiarized only 48.2%, which is misleading because there is no word or phrase in red except the aboveforsaid proper nouns, quotes, names, and the word "manage," which does not appear near any other word in red. Cheers! ch (talk) 18:35, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
- Also (apologies, I should have read more carefully) H-ASIA published the piece under Creative Commons, which -- again, if I understand correctly -- means that its OK to publish with attribution, which I will add even if my reasoning above is correct that none is needed.ch (talk) 21:19, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for the quick work and kind comments! It seems to me -- if I understand the Earwig Copyvio page -- that the highlighted (questionable?) phrases are not in fact copyvio. Many are unavoidable (his name, his publications, "East Asian Collection," "University of Chicago," etc.), but the most important thing is that the H-ASIA piece is a posting of Shaugnessey's obit which was used in the obits which are cited (Sun Times etc.). That said, I'd be happy to add more citation if someone can point me to what seems appropriate. Cheers. ch (talk) 21:08, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
- In that case, many thanks once more!ch (talk) 18:55, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for your review, Mchuedem. As a side note, please be careful with Earwig's copyvio detector, as it can easily raise false alarms, especially for long articles. I'm reviewing the GA nomination for Maya Civilization. Earwig reports an alarming 85% match with one of the sources, but all reported matches are false alarm upon close inspection. I don't think that tool is ready for the big time yet. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 19:02, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
