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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 13:56, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

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Too Much and Never Enough

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Created by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 03:13, 18 June 2020 (UTC).

Consider the above, as it adds some context. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 23:57, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

New enough, long enough. QPQ needed done. Issues below. starship.paint (talk)

  • Mary L. Trump, a clinical psychologist, is the oldest child of Fred Trump Jr., and the oldest grandchild of Fred Trump Sr. - needs source. Simon & Schuster [1] says: Mary L. Trump holds a PhD from the Derner Institute of Advanced Psychological Studies and taught graduate courses in trauma, psychopathology, and developmental psychology. She lives with her daughter in New York. - no mention that she actually worked as a clinical psychologist.
  • claiming that Fred Sr. was suffering from Alzheimer's disease - source said They claimed Fred Sr. was suffering from dementia.
  • Forbes contributors are unreliable. Please get a better source.
  • Any issue with recent changes I and others made? [2]
  • I'm thinking we need to insert a "reportedly" into ALT1, which is itself better than the main hook above.
  • This seems like a good candidate for a July 28 DYK.

@Muboshgu: - see above. starship.paint (talk) 06:03, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

No problemo. (Except I don't think the citation in the infobox is necessary). I'll fix that and provide QPQ today. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:06, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
QPQ provided. Now examining bullet points... – Muboshgu (talk) 03:14, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Starship.paint, (1) other sources refer to her as a clinical psychologist. And since she has a PhD in clinical psychology, she is a clinical psychologist. Much like someone with a JD is a lawyer whether or not they're practicing. Some sourcing is saying she was working as a life coach, so I should probably add that... (2) I changed it to dementia, and will probably add this BBC.com source that says that the book will say it was Alzheimer's, and that Trump was predictably Trump about it (3) I took out the Forbes contributor (oops, didn't notice) and conformed the text to sources. (4) Nope. (5) Any hook changes for policy or hook-i-ness are welcomed. (6) Thanks for the date suggestion. Yes, July 28 should make for good reading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muboshgu (talk • contribs)
Muboshgu - still have to cite that she is the oldest child of Fred Trump Jr., and the oldest grandchild of Fred Trump Sr. I'll think about the hook if I have a better suggestion. starship.paint (talk) 14:57, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Crystal ball hooks. starship.paint (talk) 15:06, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Starship.paint, sources have referred to her as the "oldest grandchild" of Fred Sr., but they may be wrong, so I took it out. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:43, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
@Muboshgu: - is Mary older than her brother Fred III? Evening Standard says no. starship.paint (talk) 12:55, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Starship.paint, fixed – Muboshgu (talk) 16:15, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
@Muboshgu: - okay good. Shall we wait for the hearing of 10 July to see if a better blurb can be found? starship.paint (talk) 02:40, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Starship.paint, idk. Seems like the book will be published as scheduled as S&S is not party to the suit. But the more discovery happens, the more silliness may erupt. I'm happy with any hook that is fit for the main page and has a chance at >5k views. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:07, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Muboshgu: - how about the above? starship.paint (talk) 14:32, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Starship.paint, works for me. BTW the publication date has been pushed up.[3] – Muboshgu (talk) 18:07, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

- okay, article is within policy. ALT4 approved for July 14, the book release date. DYK runners would that be possible? starship.paint (talk) 00:33, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

  • I'm not sure whether this counts as me giving a new hook altogether, but I'm opting for ALT4 with some revised phrasing, namely "that in the tell-all book Too Much and Never Enough, Donald Trump's niece Mary L. Trump alleges that he mistreated his father Fred Trump after Fred contracted Alzheimer's disease?". There's no good reason to WP:EASTEREGG Fred's name by hiding with it with pipes, plus we can be straightforward with naming who the book's author is. Unless anybody has objections, I'm marking this as approved when supported by The New York Times. It is intriguing, neutral, and free of copyright. Article also is more than long enough and was submitted to DYK within a week of creation. QPQ additionally has been provided. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 03:23, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
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