Template:Did you know nominations/The Yama Yama Man
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 03:23, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
The Yama Yama Man
[edit]- ... that The Yama Yama Man (pictured) may be hiding behind a chair, "ready to spring out at you unaware"?
Created/expanded by Green Cardamom (talk), Nunh-huh (talk). Self nom at 22:42, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Date, length, hook all check out. Catchy hook. Ready for main page. CrossTempleJay → talk 20:00, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Erm, is that a fact or a quote? For April Fools, maybe... but for a regular set? Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:03, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
- The words are from the song lyrics. A great April Fool's hook, indeed. The article has some big chunks that lack inline citations -- that needs to be resolved before this goes to the main page. Let's save it for April 1! --Orlady (talk) 03:35, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
- I noticed (the first part). I think this would be good for fish day as well, but it needs clean-up. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:56, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Sources have been expanded. Green Cardamom (talk) 17:09, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
- The words are from the song lyrics. A great April Fool's hook, indeed.
The lyrics of the song do not assert that he is hiding benid the chair, they suggest that he might be. Kevin McE (talk) 22:56, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
- You are right, changed to "may be". Removed the quotes, the purpose of a hook is to intrigue so people to click through. If it was quoted, it would have to be "the chair", not "a chair" (confusing), Ready would have to be capitalized, and a line-break signifier ( "/" or ",") between chair and Ready, all of which complicates things for the reader and takes away from the hook aspect to grab peoples attention. Green Cardamom (talk) 01:47, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Removal of the quote marks means that the entire claim is fictional, and so falls foul of the requirement that hooks about fictional characters have real life basis. This hook is no more true than the contention that Freddie Mercury shot a man in the head. Kevin McE (talk) 10:19, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- I added quote marks for "ready to spring out at you unaware". That part is a direct quote from the song, and I think the quote marks serve the purpose of giving some indication of the unreal nature of the most fictional part of the statement. --Orlady (talk) 15:32, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Indicating it is unreal takes away from the hook in two ways 1) by removing its comical playfulness, which is the article's subject matter. Since this is being used on April 1, we want to emphasize comical playfulness - remember it was the hook with no quote that grabbed people's attention to use it on April 1. 2) As for anyone taking the Yama Yama Man as being real, I don't think that's an issue, and the quotes won't resolve that question because it is unstated what is being quoted (a book? the wikipedia article?). The question of verisimilitude the hook creates will be resolved by clicking through to the article, which is the purpose of the hook, to leave an open question(s) and get readers to click through. Green Cardamom (talk) 17:10, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- I added quote marks for "ready to spring out at you unaware". That part is a direct quote from the song, and I think the quote marks serve the purpose of giving some indication of the unreal nature of the most fictional part of the statement. --Orlady (talk) 15:32, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Removal of the quote marks means that the entire claim is fictional, and so falls foul of the requirement that hooks about fictional characters have real life basis. This hook is no more true than the contention that Freddie Mercury shot a man in the head. Kevin McE (talk) 10:19, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- This seems to be a defence of deliberately misleading readers of an encyclopaedia: a premise for which discussion at WT:MP suggests there is no compelling consensus. Kevin McE (talk) 19:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- If there was a possibility someone could take the hook literal I would agree about "deliberate misleading" but no one's going to take the sentence literal, it's plainly in reference to a comical fiction. Green Cardamom (talk) 20:00, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Regardless: rules of DYK state that "if the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way". This clearly fails to do so. Kevin McE (talk) 22:59, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Ok fair enough. The quote is restored, which hopefully will be enough to "serve the purpose of giving some indication of the unreal nature of the most fictional part of the statement", per Orlady above. Green Cardamom (talk) 23:24, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Regardless: rules of DYK state that "if the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way". This clearly fails to do so. Kevin McE (talk) 22:59, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- If there was a possibility someone could take the hook literal I would agree about "deliberate misleading" but no one's going to take the sentence literal, it's plainly in reference to a comical fiction. Green Cardamom (talk) 20:00, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- This seems to be a defence of deliberately misleading readers of an encyclopaedia: a premise for which discussion at WT:MP suggests there is no compelling consensus. Kevin McE (talk) 19:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Undoing closure per discussion at WT:DYK. This article was bypassed on 1 April due to the set promoter (myself) viewing this nomination as having not reached consensus, after which the nominator notified myself at my talk page that there had been a consensus. The nom should still be salvageable for a regular DYK. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:51, 1 April 2012 (UTC)