Template:Did you know nominations/The Star Beast (Doctor Who)

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 20:43, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

The Star Beast (Doctor Who)

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Dave Gibbons speaking at the 2017 San Diego Comic-Con

... that after including a transgender character in "The Star Beast" the BBC received 144 complaints?

Source: https://deadline.com/2023/12/doctor-who-complaints-bbc-transgender-character-1235658283/

ALT1: ... that even though they did not have to the BBC paid Pat Mills and Dave Gibbons (pictured) to adapt their comic strip into a TV episode? Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67557318
ALT2: ... that Dave Gibbons (pictured) loved the adaptation of his comic strip The Star Beast so much he cheered when watching it? Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67557318
ALT3: ... that the Beep the Meep puppet created for "The Star Beast" took six people to operate? Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001sx3m/doctor-who-unleashed-60th-anniversary-specials-1-the-star-beast
ALT4: ... that even though they did not have to the BBC paid Pat Mills and Dave Gibbons (pictured) to adapt their comic strip into the Doctor Who episode "The Star Beast"? Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67557318
ALT5: ... that Dave Gibbons (pictured) loved the adaptation of his Doctor Who comic strip The Star Beast so much he cheered when watching it? Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67557318
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Erik Sparre

Improved to Good Article status by OlifanofmrTennant (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

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Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC).

I think these hooks should state that "The Star Beast" is an episode of Doctor Who. I'm also not that keen on ALT0 per Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 198#Do we have to keep doing this?, and would suggest the more neutral ALT0a: ... that the Doctor Who episode "The Star Beast" introduces a transgender character?--Laun chba ller 07:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Like that? I dont see why its necessary to mention it. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 20:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
  - WP:CONTEXT, that's why. Full review needed.--Laun chba ller 07:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: * ALT3 Hook. Reasoning:

- I would like to avoid the original to be respectful of Launchballer/Wehpudicabok's "Do we have to keep doing this?" concerns.
- But then the Alt0a "introduced a transgender character" suggested is not much better, for the same "do we have to keep doing this" reason; if the goal is to stop regularly pointing out that the very existence of transgender people is controversial, then this would be similar to "introduced an Asian character" or "introduced a Muslim character" which would be a lame hook. It's not as if Dr. Who has any shortage of unusual characters, even repeating ones, between robots, aliens, time travelers, changelings...
- Then I wanted to use ALT2/ALT5, the "Dave Gibbons cheered" hook, but could not find that fact anywhere in the article. Am I just missing it somewhere?
- ALT1/ALT4 "although they didn't have to pay" doesn't seem to be explained in the article - I mean, it's mentioned, but if the goal is to draw readers to the article to get an explanation of the BBC's action, we are just going to be frustrating them.
- I guess that leaves ALT3, "took six people to operate", which is acceptable - the 6 people bit is also only mentioned, not explained further as such, but the Meep's appearance is a major part of the article plot and it is even pictured, so that should be fine to satisfy people clicking through the hook. I'm less concerned with Launchballer's WP:CONTEXT complaint in this hook's ... er ... context, as the key point here is it's some kind of sci-fi puppet, I don't think people clicking through this hook will really care whether it's specifically Dr. Who or Blake's 7 or Star Wars or whatever.
- Unless the author strongly prefers ALT2/5 and can point out where it is stated in the article? In that case, I'd be fine with the image, as the checklist shows. Not for ALT3, of course.
Very minor nit - any particular reason 'back to basics' (Critical reception section) uses single quotes when all other short quotations use double quotes? GRuban (talk) 20:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)