Template:Did you know nominations/The Rolling Stones
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:19, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
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The Rolling Stones
[edit]... that Keith Richards described his mid-80s feud with fellow The Rolling Stones founding member Mick Jagger as "World War III"?Source: "It was the period that Richards has described as "World War III" " [1]ALT1:... that The Rolling Stones have been together as a band for 55 years? Source: "Formed 1962 in London, England" [2]- ALT2:... that Bill Wyman quit The Rolling Stones partially due to a fear of flying he developed during the Steel Wheels tour? Source: "However, there is one catch. Wyman, who is 75 years old, developed a fear of flying during the ‘Steel Wheels’ tour, his last with the band." [3]
ALT3:... that The Rolling Stones have won 2 Grammay awards and have been nominated for a Grammy 11 other times? Source: [4]- ALT4:... that The Rolling Stones are a British rock band? Okay, you probably did... Source: "Formed 1962 in London, England" [5]
ALT5:... that The Rolling Stones won the Juno award for International Entertainer of the Year in 1991 Source: [6]ALT6:... that The Rolling Stones current lineup consists of Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Charlie Watts, and Ronnie Wood? Source: [7]- ALT7:... that The Rolling Stones first stable lineup consisted of Brian Jones, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Bill Wyman, Charlie Watts, and Ian Stewart? Source: [8]
ALT8:... that The Rolling Stones are one of the most successful rock bands of all time? Source: [9]ALT9:... that The Rolling Stones have held the title for highest-grossing concert tour of all time twice? Source: [10]- ALT10:... that in 2007, The Rolling Stones held the record for 4 of the top 5 highest-grossing concert tours of all time? Source: Nelson, Murray N. (2010). (p. 141) The Rolling Stones: A Musical Biography. Santa Barbara, California: Greenwood. ISBN 978-0-313-38034-1.
ALT11:... that The Rolling Stones tour A Bigger Bang is currently the second highest grossing concert tour of all time? Source: [11][12][13][14]
- QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/1957 alleged Jordanian military coup attempt
Improved to Good Article status by TheSandDoctor (talk). Self-nominated at 03:56, 22 August 2017 (UTC).
GA, new enough, neutral, sourced, no apparent copyvios, QPQ done. Struck some hooks that seem less interesting, sources check out for the others. I like ALT0 (removed the parenthetical) and ALT4 in particular. Lead picture from the article is pretty good, too. --Usernameunique (talk) 09:29, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
The Rolling Stones
- @Usernameunique: I didn't think of adding the image, while it does not pertain to that specific gig, I definitely think that it is a good photo. Of the two hooks you prefer, I like them both, ALT0 I find the most interesting and ALT4 the funniest of the two. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 05:49, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
Pulled back from prep due to the discrepancies between the article and the promoted hook (ALT0); the "solution" proposed at WT:DYK of modifying the hook in prep resulted in a less accurate hook, so I think it's best that the details are ironed out here, along with appropriate adjustments to the article, which should be made before this is approved again. The "World War III" period, according to the various sources (different ones are used in each of the three uses in the article), was 1985 to 1989, so that's not "mid-1980s" (which is about 1983 or 1984 to 1986, but the replacement of "mid-1980s feud" with "various feuds" is also not accurate, because the sourcing has Richards referring only to this one period. I'd like to suggest that perhaps all three uses of "World War III" are not necessary; the one in the Legacy section seems least accurate, because the phrase has been co-opted to support multiple feuds, and it comes only two paragraphs after the previous use near the end of Musical development (and, reading that penultimate paragraph of Musical development, it isn't talking about musical development at all; if it's retained, I suggest adding that the World War III period was actually in the second half of the 1980s, so it's clear that the paragraph is talking about a period of well over a decade). BlueMoonset (talk) 15:14, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
- I have removed the third WWIII reference from the article, which referred to their feuds in general, not just their 1980s feud. Besides that, the first use is dated within the article to 1986 or slightly after, and the second use doesn't really have a date; it describes the genesis of Richards-Jagger animosity, and then says that it culminated in "the period which Richards has referred to as 'World War III'", which essentially refers back to the first in-article use of WWIII, dated to ~1986.
- ALT12: ... that Keith Richards described his 1980s feud with fellow The Rolling Stones founding member Mick Jagger as "World War III"?
- ALT13: ... that Keith Richards described his late-80s feud with fellow The Rolling Stones founding member Mick Jagger as "World War III"?
- ALT14: ... that Keith Richards described a years-long feud with fellow The Rolling Stones founding member Mick Jagger as "World War III"?
- ALT15:
... that after coming off of heroin, Keith Richards had a feud with fellow The Rolling Stones founding member Mick Jagger that he described as "World War III"?--Usernameunique (talk) 17:41, 12 September 2017 (UTC)- ALT15 seems to not meet criteria 4a "Articles and hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals or promote one side of an ongoing dispute should be avoided.", and while I think even casual Stones fans know Keith has tried smack more than a few times, it's still not the sort of thing you want on the main page. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:20, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Reviewer needed to check latest hook suggestions. (I struck ALT15 per Ritchie333's comment.) BlueMoonset (talk) 01:57, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
- My vote would be for the tongue-in-cheek ALT4. I think it is by far the most interesting in the way it's worded. Personally I find ALT12-14 uninteresting. ALT2 is the next most interesting but I can't find that fact mentioned in the article itself. Unless there are strong objections I propose we go with that. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:54, 4 October 2017 (UTC)