Template:Did you know nominations/The Rise of the Blue Beetle!
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:37, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
The Rise of the Blue Beetle!
[edit]- ... that a The Dark Knight Returns poster can be found in the Batman: The Brave and the Bold episode The Rise of the Blue Beetle!?
- Reviewed: Norrköpings Tidningar
Created/expanded by SL93 (talk). Self nom at 02:22, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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 The hook in question is not referenced.
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Neutral.
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Frankly, boring.
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 Length checks out OK. --Orlady (talk) 00:03, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
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Created on September 6th.
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Ehhh there are only four, and they aren't used more than once each, so I'm on the fence about it.
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Most editors don't know how to format cites, unfortunately, so these seem ok.
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None that I can tell.
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- The article is very short, like I mentioned, so I'm not sure if it meets the character minimum. The sentences are choppy and kind of confusing. The proposed hook is also grammatically awkward and not very interesting. IMO a better one would be "... that The Rise of the Blue Beetle! contained wormholes, single-cell organisms and evil intergalactic pirates? Just a thought. As it is now the hook doesn't meet criteria. Jrcla2 (talk) 23:26, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- The hook is referenced to the source after it. My DYK check says 1,742 characters. What is interesting is a person's opinion. I find it interesting because it references a comic story arc that is totally different in contrast to the show's tone. SL93 (talk) 23:35, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- No, the hook doesn't have a reference after it. The sentence "The Clock King segment includes pop culture references while Jaime's room has a The Dark Knight Returns poster." has no such citation. Also, there's a reason why "Interest" is an automatic option for reviewers of other DYKs. It's because, as someone who doesn't have a personal, vested interest in the subject, the hook is supposed to intrigue me enough to want to read it. Yes it's an opinion, but unfortunately the DYK-creator doesn't really get a whole lot of say in whether it's interesting or not. Jrcla2 (talk) 23:39, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, it does. Click on the source that says 1 and you will see that it says "the opening sequence pans across Jaime’s bedroom highlighting a Dark Knight Returns poster." "Yes it's an opinion, but unfortunately the DYK-creator doesn't really get a whole lot of say in whether it's interesting or not." Since when? SL93 (talk) 23:43, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- There is also nothing wrong with having four citations as long as notability is shown. SL93 (talk) 23:44, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- In a DYK nom, the hook proposed, in this case "... that a The Dark Knight Returns poster can be found in the Batman: The Brave and the Bold episode The Rise of the Blue Beetle!?" is supposed to be directly verifiable based off of a citation in the article which directly succeeds the sentence. Not one sentence later, not two sentences later, immediately. Hence, the sentence which should be cited in this article is not. I have spent more time trying to explain why your assessment is incorrect than it would have taken to have just fixed it myself, but that's not the point of reviewing a DYK nom. And to answer your question, ever since they had a big debate about how to reform the DYK system (and consequently, since "interest" became a review criterion). Jrcla2 (talk) 23:48, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- I never agreed with that because the citation still follows it. About the Interest criterion, I disagree with it and it was only imposed by a small faction of editors. So the point of DYK is to not pass an article because of your stupid computer and because there is not enough citations in your opinion? What DYK rules state these things? SL93 (talk) 23:53, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- In a DYK nom, the hook proposed, in this case "... that a The Dark Knight Returns poster can be found in the Batman: The Brave and the Bold episode The Rise of the Blue Beetle!?" is supposed to be directly verifiable based off of a citation in the article which directly succeeds the sentence. Not one sentence later, not two sentences later, immediately. Hence, the sentence which should be cited in this article is not. I have spent more time trying to explain why your assessment is incorrect than it would have taken to have just fixed it myself, but that's not the point of reviewing a DYK nom. And to answer your question, ever since they had a big debate about how to reform the DYK system (and consequently, since "interest" became a review criterion). Jrcla2 (talk) 23:48, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- No, the hook doesn't have a reference after it. The sentence "The Clock King segment includes pop culture references while Jaime's room has a The Dark Knight Returns poster." has no such citation. Also, there's a reason why "Interest" is an automatic option for reviewers of other DYKs. It's because, as someone who doesn't have a personal, vested interest in the subject, the hook is supposed to intrigue me enough to want to read it. Yes it's an opinion, but unfortunately the DYK-creator doesn't really get a whole lot of say in whether it's interesting or not. Jrcla2 (talk) 23:39, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- The hook is referenced to the source after it. My DYK check says 1,742 characters. What is interesting is a person's opinion. I find it interesting because it references a comic story arc that is totally different in contrast to the show's tone. SL93 (talk) 23:35, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- The article is very short, like I mentioned, so I'm not sure if it meets the character minimum. The sentences are choppy and kind of confusing. The proposed hook is also grammatically awkward and not very interesting. IMO a better one would be "... that The Rise of the Blue Beetle! contained wormholes, single-cell organisms and evil intergalactic pirates? Just a thought. As it is now the hook doesn't meet criteria. Jrcla2 (talk) 23:26, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
The article is long enough for DYK's requirements. (The requirements do not mention excluding plot summaries.) The citations are adequate for DYK's requirements. Jrcla2 is correct that the citation for the hook fact needs to come immediately after the hook fact sentence, even if that means using the citation twice. I would also say Jrcla2's suggested alterntive hook is much more interesting. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:54, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- I took issue with the fact that the reviewer said that DYK nominators have no say in what is interesting. SL93 (talk) 23:55, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- It would be an intergalactic pirate if that hook was chosen. SL93 (talk) 23:57, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
- Long enough, as noted above. Referencing has been touched up for the hook. I think the amount and quality of the references is enough for DYK. I'd prefer a hook about "wormholes, single-cell organisms and evil intergalactic pirates being mentioned in the same breath as Batman". Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:07, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- Since DYK hooks aren't supposed to be purely plot, I would like to suggest ALT2: ... that a reviewer for IGN wrote that nobody would like "The Rise of the Blue Beetle!" if they did not like "wormholes, single-cell organisms and evil intergalactic pirates ... mentioned in the same breath as Batman? Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:18, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- I tweaked the hook. The quote says, "Again, if you have a problem with wormholes, single-cell organisms and evil intergalactic pirates being mentioned in the same breath as Batman, you're not going to like this show very much". SL93 (talk) 00:24, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- ... that a reviewer for IGN wrote that some people will like "wormholes, single-cell organisms and evil intergalactic pirates ... mentioned in the same breath as Batman?" in the "The Rise of the Blue Beetle!" SL93 (talk) 00:29, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- Name of the episode is missing. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:53, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
- Since DYK hooks aren't supposed to be purely plot, I would like to suggest ALT2: ... that a reviewer for IGN wrote that nobody would like "The Rise of the Blue Beetle!" if they did not like "wormholes, single-cell organisms and evil intergalactic pirates ... mentioned in the same breath as Batman? Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:18, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
SL93's alt is good to go, tick based on previous review. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:58, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
