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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by —Bruce1eetalk 12:13, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

The Litigators

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  • Reviewed: Baisigou Square Pagoda, Auspicious Tantra of All-Reaching Union

Created/expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 14:51, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

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  • I'm less than pleased with the length as it is. The plot is three quarters of the article, give or take. Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:42, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
  • The article is 2151 characters of readable prose. That is easily beyond the 1500 character requirement for length. The reviews will not be out until much closer to the actual publication date. There is not much else to include in the article at this time. I think it would be outside of protocol to put this on hold for four weeks.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:51, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
  • Perhaps... I'd have to ask at T:TDYK. Side note: Per extra rule C6, "If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way.". The hook needs to be changed a bit. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:35, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

(ALT1) ... that The Litigators is the upcoming John Grisham novel that will be released on October 25, 2011 about a class action lawsuit involving a pharmaceutical drug company's cholesterol reduction product?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:10, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

  • Apart from the concerns raised by Crisco above, this will look like an advertisement if it gets featured on the front page. Gatoclass (talk) 10:07, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
    • Is there a DYK policy for new books, movies, TV shows, products, etc.? I have had both upcoming movies and TV shows featured on the front page through DYK.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:26, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
  • I think the main issue is the use of the release date. If there was something like "... that John Grisham's The Litigators takes place in the same universe as (another book)?", it wouldn't really be advertising methinks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:22, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
  • There is not much other hookable real world content in the current article. We could put this on hold for a few weeks until reviews start coming out or we could just can this nom.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:25, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
  • I wouldn't mind holding, but I don't know how others would feel. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:24, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
  • Okay, we'll hold until it comes out and there are some reviews to add. Gatoclass (talk) 08:45, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
  • When does "a few weeks" end? This nomination has been here for over a month Victuallers (talk) 10:49, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Presumably, either this weekend or next, there will be a lot of press about the latest Grisham novel.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:41, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
  • It's due for release on the 25th, which means preliminary reviews will be out around the 23rd or so (if I'm not mistaken). A week should be more than enough to expand the article and find a good hook. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:06, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I have found two reviews, but I am disappointed not to see a review from The New York Times yet at https://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/review/index.html. I would prefer to see a NYT review before this goes to the main page, but don't know when it will come. I would imagine it will be out within a week.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:17, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

  • Would it reflect well on us to have an article for this subject on the main page on the 25th or look like advertising?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:24, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
  • As long as there isn't much emphasis on the newness, it seems okay to me. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:55, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Then to be timely it needs to get in one of the next to prep areas (4 or 1). Possible hooks are
(ALT2)... that The Litigators is a John Grisham novel about a class action lawsuit involving a pharmaceutical drug company's cholesterol reduction product?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:09, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
(ALT3)... that The Litigators is a John Grisham novel released on October 25 about a class action lawsuit involving a pharmaceutical drug company's cholesterol reduction product?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:09, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Both hooks fall afoul of supplementary rule C6. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:07, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
(ALT4)... that John Grisham's The Litigators was released by different publishers in the United States and United Kingdom on October 25?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:28, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Getting there, but too much emphasis on the date. How about (ALT5)... that a reviewer for John Grisham's new novel The Litigators said that nobody being murdered for "stumbling Too Close to the Truth" was the best part of the book? Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:40, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Article wise: Long enough, new enough as of the nomination date. Referencing is good. Paraphrasing looks okay. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:46, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
  • ALT5 good to go. I'll post at T:TDYK and make a request. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:08, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
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