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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 18:38, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

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The Cedars School

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An 18th century Grade II listed building, now occupied by the school.
An 18th century Grade II listed building, now occupied by the school.
  • Comment: Not sure if this is worthy of a DYK nomination but thought I'd give it a go and see. Maybe in the country should be England? Not sure if the image should be used but it is an 18th century Grade II listed building that was acquired by its trust and now occupied by the school. Some history on it in the article.

Created by Steven (Editor) (talk). Self-nominated at 02:10, 18 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Good job! New and long enough, within policy, Earwid detects no copyvios, no QPQ needed. You do need to specify the country, and be careful about whether it's England or the United Kingdom. You may want to explicitly state in the article that the school is not directly run by Opus Dei as this source states; though the current wording is correct, it's easy to miss that nuance. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 08:00, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
    • Hi Antony-22, thanks for reviewing this. The first source says "in Britain" and the second one says "in the country" - both sources cover the UK and worldwide. I can't find any other senior schools that have the same ethos in the other constituent countries. Yeah I was debating with myself if I should add that but for some reason ended up not adding it - I wonder if it's because I added the trust to the Oversight parameter of the infobox, ah I don't know. Anyway, you're right and I've added it to the article -thank you Steven (Editor) (talk) 21:12, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
  •  Comment: There's no way the hook can run without specifying WHICH COUNTRY! For heaven's sake. Johnbod (talk) 22:42, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
    Johnbod, your comment doesn't help, of course it can't run without specifying which country! I'm still looking but I'm heading more towards England which is where the school is located in... Steven (Editor) (talk) 00:13, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
    • ALT3: ... that the Real Madrid Foundation, in partnership with the The Cedars School, opened its first football school in the United Kingdom? "Real Madrid opens first British football school in Croydon". ITV News. 22 March 2017. Retrieved 12 October 2019.
    Thoughts? --evrik (talk) 19:07, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
    The new hook is cited inline and accurate. Per the full review of Antony-22, this can be approved, and it meets the other criteria of newness and length. Earwig doesn't find anything hugely significant (mostly quotes and common phrases like "by the PACT Educational Trust"). I also made some minor improvements to punctuation. Raymie (t • c) 19:16, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
Hey evrik (pinging Raymie), that's a good alternative, I was thinking of going for this and that I'll be able to get a DYK in at least. The reason why I'm wanting to go for the Opus one is because there is a lot of controversy surrounding this organisation so maybe a more interesting DYK. I also found discussions from parents on Mumsnet about sending their children to this school, questioning its Opus affiliation. I'm happy with that one anyway, but what do you think of the following alt's above (I'm more in favour of ALT5 or 6)? Steven (Editor) (talk) 19:50, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
If you want to stick with Opus Dei, good luck. If you want to get this approved, go with Alt3. --evrik (talk) 19:54, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
Well, the Evening Standard one is specific and says "in Britain" but Alt3 is good, I just want to hear from another editor on their thoughts but if no one comments, then I'll go with Alt3 (thanks for adding your alt suggestion and for those minor improvements Raymie, please do let me know if you want the sources above written in full, numbered them instead for now) Steven (Editor) (talk) 20:07, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
  • This source would be fine as well, so ALT3 or ALT5 work. ALT6 seems like a bit too much of a Frankenstein for my taste. Raymie (t • c) 22:21, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
Yeah I see what you mean with ALT6 haha, would it be worth if I contacted the Secular Society one to see if they could amend the article with clarification? I guess the uncertainty would be whether they would reply or not, or if they would even be willing to do that. If no, can we go with ALT5? I just think this may gain more interest than the football one per above, I don't know I could be wrong, what do you think? Also, should 'Great Britain' be linked (seen DYK's with their locations linked)? Steven (Editor) (talk) 22:49, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
We don't link 'Great Britain'. Johnbod (talk) 23:19, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
Awesome, just checking Steven (Editor) (talk) 00:03, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
  • {{DYKtick}} Alt3 by agreement. --evrik (talk) 21:34, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
    • Hi, I came by to promote ALT3, but the bolded link is really the least important part of this hook. (I thought the article would be about the Real Madrid Foundation, or tell me that the Cedars School was a football school.) Yoninah (talk) 00:21, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
      Hi Yoninah, I did say the ALT3 suggestion by evrik was good, but I wanted to go with ALT5 per my reasoning above? Steven (Editor) (talk) 00:50, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
      I'm withdrawing the {{DYKtick}}. For the record, the Opus Dei fact is even weaker than the Real Madrid Foundation information. --evrik (talk) 03:58, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
    • ALT7: ... that The Cedars School is the first Real Madrid Foundation football school in the United Kingdom?
If I was to go for just football one, ALT7 is how I would put it, which follows in line with the other ALT's. I would like to mention both together but because of the uncertainty of one source not being clear on what it means by "in the country", it has to be one or the other. Per the reasons above, I'm leaning towards the Opus Dei one, Why do you think the Opus one is weaker? Steven (Editor) (talk) 17:21, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I also don't understand what's wrong with ALT5. It accords with source totally. Yoninah (talk) 17:32, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
  • If everyone is okay, with Alt 5, I am okay with Alt 5. --evrik (talk) 17:43, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Striking unused hooks. Yoninah (talk) 17:47, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you from me too, and thanks for striking the unused hooks Yoninah :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 17:50, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
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