Template:Did you know nominations/Teen Age Message

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:16, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Teen Age Message

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*... that the First Theremin Concert for Extraterrestrials was humanity's first musical Active SETI broadcast?

~~Alt 1... that six years before NASA broadcast the Beatles song Across the Universe, Russian scientists became the first to send an interstellar musical message, a live theremin concert~~

Alt 2... that six years before NASA beamed "Across the Universe" into deep space, Russian scientists broadcast a live theremin concert from the Eupatoria radio telescope (pictured).

Alt 3 ... that the Teen Age Message was sent by Russian scientists from the Eupatoria radio telescope (pictured), and was humanity's first musical Active SETI broadcast?

Alt 4... that six years before NASA beamed "Across the Universe" into deep space, Russian scientists broadcast the Teen Age Message from Yevpatoria radio telescope (pictured).

Comment: My first DYK nomination. It's been seven days since I started expanding it, but I hope you'll consider it anyway.

Created/expanded by Braincricket (talk). Self nom at 03:40, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I think this would be interesting for DYK. For the sake of the nomination, may I ask you to put citations at the end of each numbered element under "Overview". Then let's take this review out for a spin and see what happens.Maile66 (talk) 22:15, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Done Braincricket (talk) 03:17, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Two more things:

In order to use the image, you have to mention it somehow in the hook followed by (pictured)
Because this was broadcast from Russia, would you like to do an Alternative hook that mentions that?

Maile66 (talk) 22:22, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

I wrote an alternate hook (~175 chars) that mentions the Beatles, Russia, and theremins. I feel like it might be too clumsy. Please improve it if you can. Braincricket (talk) 05:03, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Reformatted how DYK alternative hooks are done. And you're getting there. Let me make a couple of more suggestions, with the only difference between the two is the wording either "Teen Age Message" or "First Theremin Concert for Extraterrestrials" You can agree to more than one hook, and what the promoter selects is based on what you as the author agree to.

Alt 3, I would like to suggest the original hook with slight changes: Inbetween First Theremin Concert for Extraterrestrials and "was humanity's....", insert what you wrote for Alt 2, "broadcast by Russian scientists from the Eupatoria radio telescope (pictured)," and then the rest of the original hook as is.

Alt 4, exactly like that, except instead of First Theramin Concert, call it Teen Age Message. Just make sure it's all sourced where it should be.

Or, if you prefer, we could just stop at Alt 2. Completely up to you if you'd like to try Alt 3 and Alt 4. Decide which hook(s) you like best, and we can go from there. Maile66 (talk) 11:34, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Let me be sure I was clear. If you do want to try Alt 3 and/or Alt 4, please write it yourself, as I was only making suggestions. Maile66 (talk) 00:20, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Explainer: Braincricket added two more alternative hooks, replacing the three that were there. Because DYK prefers to have all original text on the templates, I restored the three original hooks, and put Braincricket's two newest ones at the bottom as Alt 3 and Alt 4., and am posting below this the message Braincricket left on my talk page. I believe Braincricket to mean that what I have labeled Alt 3 and Alt 4 are the two hooks Braincricket would like the promoter to choose from. Maile66 (talk) 19:45, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, I've settled on a hook and an alt. I'll let the promoter decide which one they want to use, if that's alright. I'll go over the DYK guidelines and make sure the hooks are properly sourced. Let's get this party started. Braincricket (talk) 19:31, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Working with author on what hook they want. Full review will be done after that is decided upon. Maile66 (talk) 20:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

The nominator missed nominating the 5X expansion on deadline by 3 days. I'm going to Wikipedia:Ignore all rules and follow DYK Not exactly, to approve this nomination. I feel it's different enough and interesting enough to be on DYK,. Maile66 (talk) 20:37, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

The following has been checked in this review by Maile66

QPQ not necessary. Author's first nom.
Article created on April 30, 2005
Article length before 5X expansion was on May 29, 2012 with 487 characters of readable prose
5X expansion by Braincricket was begun on August 21, 2012, bringing it to 2,563 characters of readable prose
NPOV, well written
Every paragraph sourced
AGF on two sources in the Russian language
Preferred hooks of Alt 3 and Alt 4 are appropriately sourced in English
Hook image has been freely licensed at Commons since 2008
Duplication Detector run, no copyvio found
Time spent on review: off and on for a couple of days

Good work, Braincricket. Good to go, Maile66 (talk) 20:37, 1 September 2012 (UTC)