Template:Did you know nominations/Student Initiative Rahel
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The result was: rejected by BlueMoonset (talk) 02:10, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
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Student Initiative Rahel
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- ... that in Student Initiative Rahel students in Germany collect money to finance the education of young people in Adigrat, Ethiopia?
- ALT1:... that the Student Initiative Rahel is named after an AIDS orphan from Ethiopia?
Created by Urmelbeauftragter (talk). Self-nominated at 22:43, 17 December 2016 (UTC).
New enough, long enough. The article has a cleanup tag on it for too many primary source citations, and the tag seems reasonable given the sources. This must be addressed before promotion. Partially as a result of the sources, the article focuses quite a bit on how the organization views itself rather than how its covered by reliable secondary sources. Lots of mission statement stuff, etc. That needs to be reduced for this to be neutral. I haven't evaluated close paraphrasing because the sources are likely to change quite a bit before this is acceptable, so it makes more sense to check that in the future. First hook doesn't have a cite after the sentence supporting it. Second hook is sourced to foreign-language sources, so I'm unable to evaluate the sourcing. I noted that the article contradicts itself on the orphan's name (Rahel vs. Rachel). This should be corrected. Still pending a QPQ as well. The image is fine from a licensing standpoint, but it doesn't appear great at a small size and its content isn't connected to any of the hooks, so it probably shouldn't be used. ~ Rob13Talk 14:47, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you, the spelling "Rachel" was wrong. Her name is Rahel. Unfortunately there are less sources which are not from current or former members of the student initiative. So it seems to me there's nothing I can do for removing the cleanup tag. Perhaps I can do something in reducing the articles length. What do you mean with "First hook doesn't have a cite after the sentence supporting it."? What is a QPQ? I could only use pictures which were already on WP Commons so I believe I could not find a better one.--Urmelbeauftragter 20:21, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
- It's not so easy to shorten the text for me. I will have a look on it in the next days.--Urmelbeauftragter 20:51, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
- For DYK, the sentence supporting your hook needs to have a citation at the end of it (even if a supporting citation appears elsewhere). The sentence supporting the ALT0 hook you proposed is "It was in the context of a research project of the German Bishops' Conference (German: Deutsche Bischofskonferenz) in Adigrat in Tigray Region in northern Ethiopia.", so it needs a citation at the end. A QPQ is a quid-pro-quo; you're required to review one DYK nomination before your own is accepted. I just checked and you're exempt from that requirement because you have less than five DYK credits already, so don't worry about that for now. You don't have to use a picture either in your article or for the DYK, so I'd recommend not using one in this case. ~ Rob13Talk 06:10, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
- The same citation was for the whole paragraph. Is there one needed for every sentence. I have added it a second time for this sentence.--Urmelbeauftragter 21:29, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
- It's a rather silly rule specific to DYK; to make it easier for readers to find the reference supporting the fact appearing on our main page, we require a cite at the end of the sentence that contains the DYK hook's fact. You can remove the extra cite after this has run on the main page. Still pending some other changes, especially related to the cleanup tag. ~ Rob13Talk 14:47, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
- I don't understand what I can do relating to the cites. It seems to me I cannot do something relating to the cleanup tag because I cannot find more sources to this theme which are not seen as primary ones.--Urmelbeauftragter 16:28, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Unfortunately, that means we can't accept this for DYK. Notability may also be questionable if no non-primary sources exist. ~ Rob13Talk 17:38, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
- I don't understand what I can do relating to the cites. It seems to me I cannot do something relating to the cleanup tag because I cannot find more sources to this theme which are not seen as primary ones.--Urmelbeauftragter 16:28, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
- It's a rather silly rule specific to DYK; to make it easier for readers to find the reference supporting the fact appearing on our main page, we require a cite at the end of the sentence that contains the DYK hook's fact. You can remove the extra cite after this has run on the main page. Still pending some other changes, especially related to the cleanup tag. ~ Rob13Talk 14:47, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
- The same citation was for the whole paragraph. Is there one needed for every sentence. I have added it a second time for this sentence.--Urmelbeauftragter 21:29, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
- For DYK, the sentence supporting your hook needs to have a citation at the end of it (even if a supporting citation appears elsewhere). The sentence supporting the ALT0 hook you proposed is "It was in the context of a research project of the German Bishops' Conference (German: Deutsche Bischofskonferenz) in Adigrat in Tigray Region in northern Ethiopia.", so it needs a citation at the end. A QPQ is a quid-pro-quo; you're required to review one DYK nomination before your own is accepted. I just checked and you're exempt from that requirement because you have less than five DYK credits already, so don't worry about that for now. You don't have to use a picture either in your article or for the DYK, so I'd recommend not using one in this case. ~ Rob13Talk 06:10, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
