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Round symbols for illustrating comments about the DYK nomination The following is an archived discussion of Star of Caledonia's DYK nomination. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page; such as this archived nomination"s (talk) page, the nominated article's (talk) page, or the Did you knowDYK comment symbol (talk) page. Unless there is consensus to re-open the archived discussion here. No further edits should be made to this page. See the talk page guidelines for (more) information.

The result was: promoted by  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:30, 15 March 2013 (UTC).

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Created by Simply south (talk). Self nominated at 01:29, 2 March 2013 (UTC).

  • My only thought about that hook is that it's not totally clear what the Angel is. What about:

::*ALT1: ... that the sculpture Star of Caledonia is projected to be about 55 metres (180 ft) high, over twice the height of the Angel of the North statue?

(I'm not sure if 'statue' is the right wording, just used it to avoid double use of 'sculpture'.) I replaced 'size' with 'height', I'm not sure how to calculate size (volume?) but height is obvious.
Long enough, new enough. Info in hook checks out in sources cited in article. I have one , the sentences about Simon Winstanley and about Dunlop appear unsourced, I didn't see the info in the citation at the end of that paragraph. In the Winstanley sentence, if this is a quote it should be in quotation marks too. delldot ∇. 07:55, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
They are there, in the right-hand column. I have reworded Simon Winstanley it to include the quote and placed the same ref at the end of the sentence. Before this is approved I know I need to review another one which I'll do this evening. Simply south...... catching SNOWballs for just 6 years 11:28, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Durr, sorry, they sure are. I went ahead and added the ref to the Dunlop sentences too so it's clearer and easier for others to add info to that paragraph later without losing the referencing. Pending your review of another submission, I think this is good to go. delldot ∇. 15:17, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Don't approve yet, I have one more query but I will say it later as I'm busy right now. Simply south...... catching SNOWballs for just 6 years 19:16, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Never mind. I've sorted my own query and so it should be fine. Simply south...... catching SNOWballs for just 6 years 22:42, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Everything looks good. delldot ∇. 05:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
This will not work as I have found there is conflicting information on the height. Simply south...... catching SNOWballs for just 6 years 21:16, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
  • I'm afraid the hook runs afoul of WP:CRYSTAL in its current form: the sculpture doesn't yet actually exist, yet it's being referred to as if it did. The intro of the article calls Star of Caledonia a planned sculpture (emphasis mine), and the hook shouldn't talk about it in any other way. The hook word "projected" could refer to an artwork already partially constructed, so it isn't sufficient to make the distinction. I've labeled the second hook as ALT1 (each proposed hook should have a label), but a new ALT hook is needed here. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:56, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Alt 2 ... that the design of the Star of Caledonia was inspired by physicist James Clerk Maxwell? Difficultly north (talk) - Simply south alt. 09:28, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Alt 3 ... that the design of the Star of Caledonia was inspired by physicist James Clerk Maxwell for his electromagnetic theory? Difficultly north (talk) - Simply south alt. 10:02, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

In fact I've stricken my original and Delldot's suggested alternative as I've realised there is a big problem with the sources for the height of the sculpture, with some quoting 40m and some 55m. I'm actually really glad you raised this as I feel I would have been making a big mistake. At least the alternative(s) is\are in a lot of sources. Simply south...... catching SNOWballs for just 6 years 21:16, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

  • ALT4's a bit problematic in that it uses "will": things change. Use something like "is designed to be lit up" or "has been designed to be lit", depending on the article and its sourcing. I think ALT2 works better than ALT3: Maxwell may be famous for his theory, but the Maxwell was the inspiration, not (according to the article as written) his theory. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:08, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
  • The remaining ALT hooks need reviewing. Have struck ALT3 and ALT4 for the reasons given. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:00, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Article - new enough when nominated; 4565 characters of readable prose, so long enough; neutral; at least one inline citation to every paragraph; no copy vios detected using earwig and running random sources through duplication detector; assessed as start class in one project, un-assessed in others, so not a stub.
  • Hook Alt 4a - within length criteria at 83 characters; correctly formatted; correctly cited/supported by ref #1 in final sentence of second paragraph of 'Design' section; and reasonably interesting. I have struck Alt 2 as I find it un-interesting.
  • QPQ done; no image.
I think everything is now sorted out. SagaciousPhil - Chat 14:49, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
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