Template:Did you know nominations/St Luke's Church, Christchurch

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The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 23:35, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

St Luke's Church, Christchurch

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... that St Luke's Church (pictured) in Christchurch, New Zealand, replaced an earlier church that was "ugly and barn-like"?

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1080 (skateboarding)

Created/expanded by Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 01:49, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Date and length fine. Sources reliable. No copy vio issues. Hook correctly formatted. Photo your own. Questions: 1) Are you sure the church is Cat II? Source #3 indicates Cat 1. 2) Are you certain the consecrating bishop was Harper? Source #7 indicates Julius. 3) How do you access the information for source #4? The page opened, but I didn't see anything specific about Good Shepherd. Also, a fourth general question, for anyone. It's unclear to me as to how many people can claim credit for a DYK review. I reviewed the discussion about the skateboarding nomination, and it appears that several people were involved, including at least two others who gave formal reviews. Thanks. Anne (talk) 21:43, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

I like it when DYK nominations get a thorough review and you have done a good job, Anne. Thanks for that! Regarding your specific questions:

1) Yes, and it's explained on the talk page of the article. That said, I have no hard proof of it. After a building gets removed from the register, they take its page down and I haven't been able to find an archived page anywhere. I also wasn't clever enough to take a copy of the Christchurch register after the earthquake, as way over half the listed buildings will go and the individual register entries are hugely valuable when you want to write an article about a building. I'm certain that it was Category II because when I first looked up St Luke's earlier last year, it struck me that it was Category II, whereas its vicarage (which I had never even noticed before!) was Category I.

2) You are right, it was indeed Bishop Julius; Harper died in 1893... Thanks for spotting that.

3) Well, the CERA website is rather hopeless when it comes to detail. You can get to The Church of the Good Shepherd, but you have to set all sorts of search parameters before you get it onto the screen, but that procedure doesn't produce a unique URL. When you click on the hyperlink of the listing, you do get a unique URL, but it doesn't show you anything more than a map reference, pointing to where the building once stood. So when you get to that page, you have to have the knowledge that things listed there represent a demolished building and what building that was (if it isn't clear from the URL). For a reference, that's less than ideal. I might find the time and go to the site over the weekend, take a photo of the bare site and put it onto Commons and use that as a reference. How does that sound?

4) I suggest you raise that question at the talk page, given that it's a general question. Schwede 66 05:33, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. You've answered all my questions specific to the article, and I reviewed your comments on the article talk page, too. For #3, I wondered whether it was the case that you were expected to know the name of the demolished building. I like your idea of the photo, if you have time. I occasionally use a photo as a ref, but I'm never quite certain how the WP community views a photo as a source. For #4, I followed your suggestion and left a question on my talk page. (Was that the right place? - I followed your link.) So, as soon as I get an answer to #4, which obviously I'm going to need for the future too, since I'm sure this comes up all the time, you'll be good to go! Anne (talk) 01:16, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

I found a DYK talk page. I left the question there, too. Anne (talk) 02:28, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

I've taken a photo of the empty site where the Church of the Good Shepherd used to be and referenced it. Schwede 66 05:01, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Great. And I received my answer, so you're all set! Anne (talk) 04:26, 10 June 2012 (UTC)