Template:Did you know nominations/St James the Less, Pockthorpe
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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 18:25, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
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St James the Less, Pockthorpe
Font from St James the Less
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that the redundant church Saint James the Less, Pockthorpe, once had a 14th-century font (pictured)?Source: Nikolaus Pevsner (1983) Norfolk. 1, Norwich and North-East, London YUP, p.241: "Font. Moved (to St Julian's, Norwich) from All Saints (Norwich) in 1977. Especially good. Octagonal. Against the stem eight standing figures (Apostles and four others). Against the bowl sixteen (cf. that removed from St James (Norwich)) including St Michael and St George. A bequest for its emendation was made in 1448". - ALT0a:...
that the redundant church Saint James the Less, Pockthorpe, once had a 14th-century font (pictured) that is now in St. Mary Magdalene, Norwich?(source as above) Storye book (talk) 16:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)- ALT1:
that the redundant church Saint James the Less, Pockthorpe, once had a rood screen with portraits of saints painted in 1479 (example pictured)?Source: Blomefield (1805): "In 1479 the rood loft was beautifully painted, and there were then the images of St Nicholas, St Catherine and St John Baptist; as there were also others before St James, St Christopher, the Holy Rood, and Sepulchre". - Reviewed: Coriolanus Snow
- Comment: The second image uploaded here, is for ALT1.
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Created by Amitchell125 (talk). Nominated by Storye book (talk) at 12:29, 14 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/St James the Less, Pockthorpe; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
As the image doesn't show in the interior of St James, Pockthorpe, I would suggest amending the second half of the hook to something like 'once had a 14th-century font that is now in St. Mary Magdalene, Norwich (pictured)'. Amitchell125 (talk) 14:49, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Done. Storye book (talk) 09:59, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Substantial article about an interesting building with an unusual history, on plenty of good sources, offline sources accepted AGF. I am not yet happy with the hooks. I wonder if we could say, instead of "redundant", "former church, now a puppet theatre", to make it more interesting. It seems a bit problematic to picture things that are no longer in the church, and seeing which images have not been taken recently, the two suggested don't have a high chance, so perhaps better not build hooks relying on them? - In the article, it took me a while to find what Pockthorpe is which I think should be explained in the lead. In the hooks, shouldn't there be a comma after it? And do we need the comma after rood screen in ALT1? I prefer that one so far, and could approve it if you don't want to think about ALTs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, Gerda.
ALT2: ... that the former church Saint James the Less, Pockthorpe, now a puppet theatre, once had a rood screen with portraits of saints painted in 1479 (example pictured)?- @Amitchell125: Are you happy with ALT2, or would you prefer to suggest another hook? Storye book (talk) 10:01, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, I like ALT2. Will stay open for others suggestions. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps tweaked to
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Detail from the rood screen that was at St James the Less
- ALT2a ... that in the church of Saint James the Less, Pockthorpe, now the home of the Norwich Puppet Theatre, there was a rood screen with portraits of saints painted in 1479 (example pictured)?
- (The theatre is nationally important in its own right, and so I wouldn't say 'puppet theatre', and I wouldn't say 'former', as the building is still considered to be a church (the technical term these days is a closed church). Amitchell125 (talk) 10:27, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Amitchell125: Technically, you are correct. Many years ago, the Bishop of Southwark told me that a church remains consecrated so long as it has four walls standing, and that "deconsecration" is only a legal formulation to permit other uses. Storye book (talk) 10:53, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2a, preferred --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:46, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- (Note to promoter: ALT2a goes with the rood screen picture). Storye book (talk) 15:45, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- I took the liberty to move the pic down. Who knows if a promoter will find out what a rood screen is. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- (Note to promoter: ALT2a goes with the rood screen picture). Storye book (talk) 15:45, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Amitchell125: Technically, you are correct. Many years ago, the Bishop of Southwark told me that a church remains consecrated so long as it has four walls standing, and that "deconsecration" is only a legal formulation to permit other uses. Storye book (talk) 10:53, 19 January 2024 (UTC)