Template:Did you know nominations/Shepherd's Pipe Carol
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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:15, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
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Shepherd's Pipe Carol
[edit]- ... that the Christmas "Shepherd's Pipe Carol" was reportedly sung by choirs in the Baltic states as a symbol of resistance to the Soviet Union? Source: Hyperion Records
- Reviewed: Death and state funeral of George H. W. Bush
- Comment: For the obligatory Christmas carol on Christmas Day (so we can get 1 in each set)
5x expanded by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 15:03, 5 December 2018 (UTC).
Interesting Christmas gift, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. Can we say three words about the music in the article? - I am not happy with the hook, because it is only supported by what the composer says, - so "true" and "There was a report" (which?) according to which independent source? Why not simply say his first published work? - I am not happy with prose such as "involve a narrative of being set during the annunciation to the shepherds in the Nativity of Jesus where a young shepherd is heard playing pipe music on the way to Bethlehem", but it would not become too short if you trim that ;) - it's not clear when what happens, at least not to me. I don't know the lyrics, but would guess it's rather the shepherd boy on his way after the annunciation, no? - I also have a hymn plan, of course, and began a cantata for 25 December. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: I have made the changes. I have restored the choir lines because they are two separate choirs. I have also added an additional source for the hook which I am happy to use. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:38, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry about the 2 choirs! - I tried a simpler way to say what it is about, feel free to change but don't have "lyrics ... involve ... narrative", please. I don't like the very end, "where the Star of Bethlehem was over", because it sounds like all is over, and is the last line, but I don't know to make it better. - Source: I don't have access to BBC thing but bet it's the same Rutter reminiscenses, so not truly independent. The question "which report" is still open. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: I have amended it to say reportedly but we could also do:ALT1... that the "Shepherd's Pipe Carol" is about a shepherd boy playing pipe music on the way to Bethlehem? Personally I prefer the original as it is more interesting but the alt contains a reference to the carol's refrain. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:09, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
- I am willing to approve both, but don't like hooks with "reportedly" too much. So now to the ALT. We need some link to Christmas, I guess. How about a pipe from Bethlehem to Nativity of Jesus? I believe that you can't have the full lyrics, but give the refrain, which would clarify if it's about a boy (third person), or if the singer identifies with that boy (first person), - something I'd like to know. - Please change to "reportedly" in the article also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:33, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: The article already mentions there was a report (hence reportedly). I can't include the lyrics as they are copyrighted but have clarified it is in third person. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:10, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
- You can do one of do things, write "reportedly" in the article, or keep "a report", but then please say by whom, published where and when. I don't want to deal with WP:ERRORS on Christmas Day. You can quote the beginning of the refrain, without copyright violation, - just not the complete lyrics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
- "The boy later states in the carol that he will perform ..." - if it's all third person, better say "... who imagines to perform ...". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
- Seems like very minor quibbles but I have made the adjustments @Gerda Arendt: so can you add the green tick now please? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:46, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
- Same procedure. Without being asked I will add the tick when I'm happy. Not yet. Forgive me, and it may well be my lack of English: "performer" doesn't work when it's a carol which is normally sung by several. I thought so far that the singers sing about a boy, and now you tell me the boy tells them something? Also I noticed that we still have that the star is over. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:09, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
- Can we also have the scoring. Voice and piano? Several voices and what? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: done now. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 21:37, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
- Done what? Added "The music was scored for SATB and organ or small orchestra." under Lyrics? I'd say "is scored", and somewhere else, and in the infobox. "... the star is located over"? Are you sure ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
- I have made further alterations for these minor issues @Gerda Arendt:. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 21:57, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
tired. Please consider {{infobox musical composition}} as in other Rutter works. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
- I have made further alterations for these minor issues @Gerda Arendt:. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 21:57, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
- Done what? Added "The music was scored for SATB and organ or small orchestra." under Lyrics? I'd say "is scored", and somewhere else, and in the infobox. "... the star is located over"? Are you sure ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: done now. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 21:37, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
- Seems like very minor quibbles but I have made the adjustments @Gerda Arendt: so can you add the green tick now please? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:46, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
- "The boy later states in the carol that he will perform ..." - if it's all third person, better say "... who imagines to perform ...". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
- You can do one of do things, write "reportedly" in the article, or keep "a report", but then please say by whom, published where and when. I don't want to deal with WP:ERRORS on Christmas Day. You can quote the beginning of the refrain, without copyright violation, - just not the complete lyrics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: The article already mentions there was a report (hence reportedly). I can't include the lyrics as they are copyrighted but have clarified it is in third person. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:10, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
- I am willing to approve both, but don't like hooks with "reportedly" too much. So now to the ALT. We need some link to Christmas, I guess. How about a pipe from Bethlehem to Nativity of Jesus? I believe that you can't have the full lyrics, but give the refrain, which would clarify if it's about a boy (third person), or if the singer identifies with that boy (first person), - something I'd like to know. - Please change to "reportedly" in the article also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:33, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: I have amended it to say reportedly but we could also do:ALT1... that the "Shepherd's Pipe Carol" is about a shepherd boy playing pipe music on the way to Bethlehem? Personally I prefer the original as it is more interesting but the alt contains a reference to the carol's refrain. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:09, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry about the 2 choirs! - I tried a simpler way to say what it is about, feel free to change but don't have "lyrics ... involve ... narrative", please. I don't like the very end, "where the Star of Bethlehem was over", because it sounds like all is over, and is the last line, but I don't know to make it better. - Source: I don't have access to BBC thing but bet it's the same Rutter reminiscenses, so not truly independent. The question "which report" is still open. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: I have made the changes. I have restored the choir lines because they are two separate choirs. I have also added an additional source for the hook which I am happy to use. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:38, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
