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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:05, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

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Shanqi

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  • ... that Shanqi, a Manchu prince, worked with the Japanese and his daughter, Yoshiko Kawashima, to create an independent state in Manchuria in 1912? Source: Rhoads, Edward J. M. (2000). Manchus & Han: Ethnic Relations and Political Power in Late Qing and Early Republican China, 1861–1928. Seattle, London: University of Washington Press. p. 235.
    • ALT1:... that Shanqi, a prince of the Qing dynasty, tried twice to create an independent Manchu state? Source: Rhoads, Edward J. M. (2000). Manchus & Han: Ethnic Relations and Political Power in Late Qing and Early Republican China, 1861–1928. Seattle, London: University of Washington Press. p. 235.
    • ALT2:... that Shanqi, a prince of the Qing dynasty, is regarded as one of the founders of the modern Chinese police system? Source: Liu, Xiaomeng. Full Book of the Aisin-Gioro Clan - Full Family History, Jilin People's Press, 1997.

Created by Roniius (talk). Self-nominated at 06:26, 20 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Article is big enough and new enough. No copyright infringement detected. the 14th daughter is called " Jin Bihui" and also "Yoshiko Kawashima" causing confusion. This need to be explained more clearly, as I expect that it is correct. However a more serious problem is a lack of references on the first and last paragraph of the "Life" section, and none at all in the "Family" section. Original hook is in the article and has references. It is short enough, but is awkwardly worded -- perhaps swap Japanese and his daughter. Hook alt1 is not really in the article as the article does no mention if or how he was involved in a Manchu state. This will need clarification. Hook alt2 is in the article, and has a reference. AGF it is OK. It is short enough and interesting. Nominator has only done 4 nominations for DYK so far, so no QPQ is needed. There is no image suggested, although one is available, but its age is unclear, but probably pre 1922. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:05, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Graeme Bartlett: I have tried to explain the problem with Yoshiko Kawashima/Jin Bihui. I have also added references to the places that were missing it. As for wording, I have not addressed that concern. Hook alt1 is mentioned in the second to last paragraph of the Life section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roniius (talk • contribs) 19:50, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @Graeme Bartlett: look now. --evrik (talk) 21:25, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Article is long enough and posted by due date. Hook is interesting, cited and verified. No copy vio noted. Text is neutral. hook is interesting. QPQ done.BabbaQ (talk) 17:06, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but there are a number of facts that need inline citations, including the hook fact, and I tagged these. It is also unclear in the last paragraph whether this title was bestowed on him after his death or during his lifetime; if in the latter case, this sentence should be moved up into the article. Yoninah (talk) 23:40, 25 December 2019‎ (UTC)
  • @Roniius: It's been several weeks since Yoninah's comments, are you still going to address her concerns? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:02, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
I have taken care of the issue noted by Yoninah regarding the title; it was a posthumous one (apparently giving a posthumous title, or title modification, is done with everyone who has been a Prince Su during life). However, the article still has a trio of "citation needed" templates, including one for the hook fact (hook facts must have an inline source; it's an absolute DYK requirement). Unfortunately, Roniius has yet to make a new response here (it's been a month since their original reply) despite a number of pings to their talk page and requests for such a response. The nomination cannot be approved until these have been taken care of. If the issues are not addressed in the next week, consideration should be given to marking the nomination for closure. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:42, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: I have dealt with the Citation Needed templates. Roniius (talk) 01:12, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, is this now ready for promotion, since all of the tags have been replaced by citations (and some additional text added)? BlueMoonset (talk) 01:19, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • OK, all the citation needed tags are gone and new material has been added with cites. The posthumous title issue has also been addressed. Going with ALT0, which is mostly sourced by an online English source and partly sourced by a Chinese one. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 00:04, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
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