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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by BuySomeApples (talk) 03:51, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

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Sean Caddle

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Created by Mhawk10 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:16, 29 January 2022 (UTC).

  • More of a comment than a review but, while all three hooks are technically interesting and cited, all three do seem to have BLP concerns. I wonder if other hooks could be proposed here that meet BLP. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:19, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
    • @Narutolovehinata5: Can you expand upon what the particular BLP issue is? The three hooks are all cited to reliable WP:NEWSORGs (and several other suitable sources exist, such as The New York Times, Hartford Courant, NJ.com, etc. The plea agreement that Caddle entered into would satisfy relevant WP:BLPCRIME issues. The three hooks are also related to the things Caddle is most known for. I'd understand BLP concerns if there weren't a conviction or plea agreement, but the presence makes the murder for hire plot (extremely rare in the scope of modern U.S. politics) something that might attract a lot of attention to the article. — Mhawk10 (talk) 21:43, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
I'm just not comfortable having a hook calling a living person a criminal on the main page, regardless of their political affiliation. It feels against the spirit of BLP if you ask me. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:33, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
It's not the partisan affiliation that is sort of key here, but it's the murder-for-hire that the person admitted to which involved killing a politician. Anywho, I've proposed another alternative above (ALT3) that doesn't mention any of the criminal activity. — Mhawk10 (talk) 03:36, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
  • None of the hooks are acceptable. Per the DYK rules, "Articles and hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals or promote one side of an ongoing dispute should be avoided." The proposed ALT3 does not violate that rule, but I do not see what makes it interesting to a broad audience, nonpartisan voter drives are very common. (t · c) buidhe 06:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
    • Is that the New Jersey guy was running a whole voter registration operation in Texas not interesting or unexpected for a politician? Also, I'm really going to contest that ALT0-2 unduly focus on negative aspects. Searching his name on Google News yields about 4400 results, while searching "Sean Caddle" "murder-for-hire" yields about 2250 (and "murder-for-hire" is obviously not the only verbatim phrase that can be used for paying people to assassinate someone). With a very conservative measure, over half of the sources covering him seem to be interested in the murder-for-hire plot, which is what he's most known for at this point. Why would featuring this be undue? — Mhawk10 (talk) 18:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
      • The issue is that the proposed hooks don't focus on the assassination plot, but rather a specific living individual's role in it. (t · c) buidhe 01:14, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
        • Ok. I think I can work with this. I'll try to think of another hook. — Mhawk10 (talk) 03:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
@Mhawk10: Have you had any luck brainstorming alternate hooks? BuySomeApples (talk) 23:04, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
To be honest, something like ... that despite being from Jersey City, Sean Caddle, a Democratic political consultant, ran a nonpartisan Harris County, Texas voter registration organization? is the best I can come up with without adding substantially to the article. Juxtaposition on Texas and New Jersey might intrigue some readers. — Mhawk10 (talk) 23:33, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Pinging @Narutolovehinata5 and Buidhe: about the new proposed hook. If this one doesn't work then this nom might have to be closed. BuySomeApples (talk) 01:08, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
I think that hook has the same problems as the original hooks. (t · c) buidhe 01:22, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
I think the hook is okay (nothing spectacular, but more appropriate than the original hooks), but given that consensus seems to be leaning towards it not being suitable then I would not oppose a marking for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:43, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
@Mhawk10: It looks like consensus is leaning towards this being not suitable for DYK. Don't feel discouraged! Not every article works well for this. Unless you would like to propose any further hooks or changes, I will mark this one for closure. BuySomeApples (talk) 08:23, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
@BuySomeApples: I think I'll save this for a shot at DYK after I expand it to a GA. Feel free to close it; I don't have the time over the next few days to add additional DYK-worthy content to the article. — Mhawk10 (talk) 03:50, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
OK, will do @Mhawk10:! BuySomeApples (talk) 03:51, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
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