Template:Did you know nominations/Seal of Somerset County, Maryland

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:17, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Seal of Somerset County, Maryland

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Seal of Somerset County

... that the Seal of Somerset County, Maryland (pictured) is based on the Royal coat of arms of England? Source: County News

Reviewed: Milton Keynes
Comment: Can I request if we use the image please?

Created by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 08:58, 4 June 2019 (UTC).

Article is new enough and long enough. Source #1 does not say "rediscovered" and does not support the analysis of the seal's symbols' meaning either. AGFing on #2 and #3. I am not sure if "Some versions" is supported by #4 either and is that a reliable source? No copyvio or plagiarism that I can see. Hook is appropriately sourced, not very interesting perhaps and cited inline. Image is fine. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:47, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: It clearly says in source 1 that it is based on the Royal arms of England at the time, the breakdown of the quarters is in source 4. I have reworded rediscovered in the article. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 22:41, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

@The C of E: The problem parts are The three yellow lions and fleurs-de-lys on the top left and bottom right quarters represent England and the English claims to the French throne (though reversed in the seal), the white lion on the top right representing Scotland and the harp on the bottom left representing Ireland. which are only partially endorsed by source #4. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:34, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: Source 4 clearly states the quartering and what it represents. England " three lions passant guardant", France "fleurs-de-lis to three", "These arms expressed his claim to the French throne", Scotland ", a lion rampant" and Ireland " Azure, a harp". IT is fully covered by the source but it isn't relevant to the hook. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 10:07, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

OK, seems like it's an issue with the placement of the citation. I've mended it. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:07, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I came by to promote this, but the hook is misleading. The source says it is based on a version of the Royal coat of arms of England at the time of the House of Stuart. I think the hook should be referring to the House of Stuart seal rather than the current English seal. Yoninah (talk) 14:52, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

The Royal Arms are the English arms. The Stuart arms are a version of the Royal Arms of England. Also @Yoninah:, there is no current English seal so there is no way it can be confused. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 17:50, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

But the main article Royal coat of arms of the United Kingdom, to which you redirect from Royal coat of arms of England in this article, begins: The royal coat of arms of the United Kingdom, or the Royal Arms for short, is the official coat of arms of the British monarch, currently Queen Elizabeth II. That seems current to me. Yoninah (talk) 19:12, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

But it was England at the time. England doesn't exist anymore, it was subsumed into the UK. England and the UK are not the same thing (Despite what some ignorant yanks might think). If the link is the problem, then I can remove it @Yoninah:.

Yes, I think that's a good idea to remove it, The C of E. Yoninah (talk) 19:58, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Done. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 20:39, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Restoring tick per Jo-Jo Eumerus's review. Yoninah (talk) 20:55, 7 July 2019 (UTC)