Template:Did you know nominations/Sandyhills

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 12:15, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Sandyhills

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Sandyhills tower blocks (2009)

• ... that since the demolition of others, the four 23-storey tower blocks in the Sandyhills area of Glasgow are the tallest habitable buildings in Scotland east of those in the city's Springburn area? Source:

5x expanded by Crowsus (talk). Self-nominated at 18:37, 2 November 2019 (UTC).

• @Crowsus: This substantial article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The image is suitably licensed, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. I do not see an inline reference for the hook facts in the article. You should either add a reference for the facts, or suggest a different hook. No QPQ is needed here. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:34, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing. The sources in this template and in the article verify the height of the buildings and the article also mentions and sources others which were demolished or are not as tall, i.e the one in Edinburgh. The articles List of tallest buildings and structures in Glasgow lists the others in the city for comparison, and Housing in Glasgow#Glasgow tower blocks has both a list of heights and a map of the locations. The Emporis site unfortunately does not sort into a list for Scotland as a whole, just by the UK or by city, so there is no quick way to show the claim is correct. It is definitely possible to compare building heights (there are only 4 cities in Scotland which have such buildings) and confirm the accuracy of the statement, but if you're asking for a source that specifically states that fact referencing Sandyhills, I don't think there is one. In view of that, I appreciate there are shades of OR to this, and if that invalidates it for DYK, fair enough. I can't really think of another hook for the article, nothing else really stands out as interesting or unusual enough for suggestion. Best regards. Crowsus (talk) 07:51, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

@Crowsus: How about:

• ALT1 ... that in the Sandyhills area of Glasgow there were once two coal mines, a rope manufacturer, an ironworks making machinery for the textile industry and a chemical works producing tar? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:28, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

• ALT2 ... that in the Sandyhills area of Glasgow there were once two coal mines, a factory making foamslag blocks and a chemical works producing tar?

@Cwmhiraeth: that sounds good! Helps to have someone with a brain looking at it. There was also the place making the concrete blocks. Let me know what I need to do with it (copy refs onto here etc)? Crowsus (talk) 10:21, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

@Crowsus: I don't think you need do anything, but someone else will come along in due course and approve or reject the new hook. Of course, I don't know the area, and my only doubt is whether the places mentioned are actually in Sandyhills or are in an adjoining area. Is Shettleston part of Sandyhills? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:46, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

@Cwmhiraeth: More like the other way around. Sandyhills is the sort of border lands to the east and south of Shettleston which is an old village swallowed up by Glasgow, nowadays its not obvious where one place ends and the next begins. Of the industry, pedantic people are most likely to be familiar/have an issue with the iron works as that is next to Shettleston Station and seen as a main part of that district; I have amended the hook slightly to reflect that. Crowsus (talk) 11:15, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks. I have struck my hook and called yours ALT2. Calling for a new reviewer for ALT2. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:27, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

• Hi @Crowsus: I have just read this article, and it seems to me that the facts in ALT2 are sourced in the article. I have a couple of questions:

- One question is about the words in italics, in the article and in the hook - why are foamslag and St Paul's RC Church in italics? I don't see a relevant use in MOS:ITAL.

- On foamslag - it's not a word that I know, and it doesn't have an entry in Wiktionary or Wikipedia. The sources do say what it is - "steelworks waste" or "blast furnace slag". Perhaps you could include one of those definitions? It may well intrigue readers of the hook, so it would be good to give some idea what kind of housebuilding material it was.

- The other question is about the final para in the History section, where you mention the Farmington private housing development. There's a reference in the middle of the para for what was there before that development was built, but I don't see one for the development itself. Would you be able to add one, please? It would be good to have a source that also says it was the most recent major development in the area, but we do at least need one that confirms that there was such a development in the Sandyhills area.

I think once these issues are sorted out, it will be possible to approve ALT 2. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:33, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• @RebeccaGreen: thanks for taking the time to review (twice, posted out of time order), didn't have time earlier to both write a reply and fix the issues above so thought I would deal with the issues first, sorry if it was inferred I was being rude by not responding here. The refs for Farmington aren't great but doesn't seem to be much out there online. Crowsus (talk) 17:16, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• @Crowsus: Not at all, I realise that real life also happens! I noticed that you had done some work on the article, and then when I looked again later, saw that there were sources for Farmington, so thought I would just go ahead and approve it. It was interesting to read about this area - not an area I know, but I have ancestors who came from Neilston and then Govan, and I hadn't realised that there were coal mines and tar extraction pits so close by! Cheers, RebeccaGreen (talk) 06:13, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

• Approving ALT2. The hook facts are mentioned and sourced in the article. The issues I identified have been addressed, thanks Crowsus! The article is generally adequately sourced. Original review per Cwmhiraeth. RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:10, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

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