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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 14:52, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Sam Poo Kong

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Sam Poo Kong, 2011

  • ... that at Sam Poo Kong (pictured), the oldest Chinese temple in Semarang, Muslims and Chinese pray together?

Created/expanded by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 16:13, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

  • Review:
  • Article: date, length, content, and references checked
  • Hooks: length, format, content, citation checked
  • Image: checked
16px Good to go. Anyway, I prefer the main hook, it's more interesting compared to ALT1 and ALT2. — MT (talk) 06:32, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Pulled from queue. Pasting the discussion from WT:DYK below. rʨanaɢ (talk) 11:32, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
There is no mutual exclusivity between Chinese and Muslim. Kevin McE (talk) 07:37, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

  • The source makes it clear that it is a more traditional Chinese religion meant, but does not state if it is Confucianism, Buddhism, or folk religion. Without an explicit statement of what denomination in the sources available (although from my visit to the temple itself it's Confucianism), Chinese should be enough. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:15, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
  • I actually agree with Kevin here. There are many Muslims who are ethnic Chinese (Hui people) and many more who are Chinese in nationality, and the current wording is a bit offensive. Religion and ethnicity just don't overlap like that. I'm pulling the hook (and probably editing the article) until something else can't be found. Just because the source has made an unfortunate word choice error doesn't mean we should. (For what it's worth, I think many or most ethnic Chinese in Indonesia are Buddhist.) rʨanaɢ (talk) 11:28, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Copying my post:
  • Surprisingly we don't have an article on the Indonesian Chinese religion, although you are right that most are Buddhist. However, personal experience is that it is quite similar to Malaysian Chinese religion. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:51, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Also, I don't think this had to be pulled. An ALT could have been substituted. Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:23, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't look here before pulling it so I wasn't aware there were ALTs. As f now it's not clear to me whether the reviewer was approving the ALTs as well as the original hook. If he considers the alts ok, then that's fine with me. rʨanaɢ (talk) 11:42, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Sorry if I did not make myself clear when I'm reviewing this. I only reviewed the main hook, but ALT1 hook includes the same information as the main hook, so ALT1 is okay. Anyway I still think ALT1 is rather dull. I found that Muslims praying in a Chinese temple, which is used for the practice of Chinese folk religion, is a really interesting fact. Is there any way to rephrase the main hook, perhaps by introducing wikilinks to Chinese temple, Muslims or Chinese or by removing the word Chinese so the hook only mentions Muslims praying in a Chinese temple. After all, the phrase Chinese temple already implies that it's mostly used by Chinese people. — MT (talk) 03:11, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes something like that, but perhaps another reviewer should do the review and choose the suitable hook. I'm afraid that my relation to the country and the topic could affect my neutrality towards the hook selection. — MT (talk) 04:08, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Needs feedback on ALT hook. Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:52, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Here's a new(?) suggestion:
  • ALT4: ....that Muslims and followers of Chinese religious traditions pray together at Sam Poo Kong (pictured), the oldest Chinese temple in Semarang, Indonesia?
Rationale: The article is vague, but it speaks of "multiple religious denominations" and several ethnicities; most of the practices described sound like folk religion, some of which could be Chinese and some of which could be indigenous to Indonesia. From this source, I got the impression that the "Chinese" religions at this temple include Buddhism and folk religion. I think that the vague "Chinese religious traditions" is supported by both the article and the source. Caveat: You can safely assume that I know nothing about Chinese or Indonesian folk religion, and only a bit more than about Buddhism. --Orlady (talk) 05:13, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
  • I like Orlady's suggestion. As for "Indonesian" folk religion... with 600+ ethnic groups, there isn't a single grouping. For this particular area, it would be Javanese traditional beliefs. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:27, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Good. I am putting an approval tick on that hook! --Orlady (talk) 14:31, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
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